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115. hard to help people who don't want to help themselves

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What Liberals Get Wrong About 'White Rural Rage' -- Almost Everything [View all] LauraInLA Apr 2024 OP

Takes him a while to get to the point. maxsolomon Apr 2024 #1

Yeah, I wanna call BS on that too Happy Hoosier Apr 2024 #2

Worse NanaCat Apr 2024 #3

Worse. They demand respect for their disrespect of others. unblock Apr 2024 #14

One of the biggest rednecks I worked with at a Budweiser distributor accuse me of not having any respect brewens Apr 2024 #129

One of his points, which I think we would agree with, is that this is not specifically a rural problem. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #6

I don;t think anyone here is arguing that white rural people are uniform. Happy Hoosier Apr 2024 #66

while almost nothing about whether his address is rural stopdiggin Apr 2024 #82

I live amongst them and you are absolutely correct prodigitalson Apr 2024 #9

Interesting upshot from the Atlantic article about this book: LauraInLA Apr 2024 #86

As you say, "rustic types" and "city slickers" may often distrust and dislike each other. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #5

that's because I think many rural resentments are unfounded. maxsolomon Apr 2024 #75

Definitely read the Atlantic article recced above -- it has a lot of useful LauraInLA Apr 2024 #81

At the same time these people are ready to put "liberals" in cannons and shoot them into space Cosmocat Apr 2024 #125

The related _Atlantic_ article is more direct -- LauraInLA Apr 2024 #67

Thanks for this info Bayard Apr 2024 #151

It is the homegirl Apr 2024 #103

so this is another "understand the Trump voter" apologia... agingdem Apr 2024 #105

I think that's not really the problem the author has with this book; LauraInLA Apr 2024 #144

This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Apr 2024 #130

It's simply bad behavior, no excuse for enabling bad thinking uponit7771 Apr 2024 #133

Their "rage" is based on their fears. Ping Tung Apr 2024 #4

As we also know, racism is not particularly or exclusively a rural trait. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #8

who are these rural whites that voted for Obama in 2012? I have never met one. I know a bunch who like to spit "Hussien prodigitalson Apr 2024 #15

"How do you do. Pleased to meet you." yagotme Apr 2024 #19

a rural white and a black swan all at once! prodigitalson Apr 2024 #21

How do you figure? yagotme Apr 2024 #34

I was born and raised in East Texas, so spare me prodigitalson Apr 2024 #36

So was my grandfather, and his whole family votes Democratic. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #41

50 years ago all of the rural whites voted Dem..we all know what happened prodigitalson Apr 2024 #44

The point is, you seem to have an issue with rural whites, yagotme Apr 2024 #48

I am saying that as a demographic they area waste of time for Democrats. I know them. I live among them prodigitalson Apr 2024 #54

So, "To hell with us", right? yagotme Apr 2024 #58

The billions going to rural infrastructure in Biden's bill is you not getting any consideration from your Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #70

In another reply, I referred to those that think the Dem Party should yagotme Apr 2024 #76

So you DO want more Democratic money spent in places where Democrats have no hope of Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #89

Seems people putting words in my mouth today is a popular event. yagotme Apr 2024 #92

I live among them myself, you can't reason with one of the Trump cult doc03 Apr 2024 #153

My point is, that my white rural family votes Democratic today. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #53

I've lived in big cities, and rural areas. yagotme Apr 2024 #50

++ They exist but familiar, negative perceptions are hardened. appalachiablue Apr 2024 #111

Thanks for the article recommendation! LauraInLA Apr 2024 #146

I'd guess the 20-30% of rural Americans who vote Democratic. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #40

And that leaves 70% who are POS. nt GuppyGal Apr 2024 #88

I'm one Kaleva Apr 2024 #91

(Shhhh. We don't exist.) nt yagotme Apr 2024 #93

For the longest time, racism was, in theory, confined to the South. We know that ain't true either. Chainfire Apr 2024 #101

It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad -- LauraInLA Apr 2024 #147

After all these years of having the reasons for white rural rage shoved down my throat, Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #7

This article is a data-driven analysis differentiating resentment (rational) from rage (irrational). LauraInLA Apr 2024 #11

That's nice. Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #13

Not "nice", but important, especially since it includes POC who Democrats tend to LauraInLA Apr 2024 #43

No. By definition, POC are not part of rural white rage. Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #49

The book is talking about rural areas as though it's only the whites who count. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #52

No, opposite. The book authors: "24% of rural Americans are non-white now and we have had eight years since Trump betsuni Apr 2024 #145

I've read that chapter. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #155

The book is about white rage so of course "the 'rage' focused on in the book is that of whites." betsuni Apr 2024 #156

You responded to my comment where I said the book focused on white rage/resentment, while the LauraInLA Apr 2024 #158

White rural Republican voters are the overwhelming majority with disproportionate power but betsuni Apr 2024 #159

I guess we're talking at cross purposes. The book misuses data in multiple ways LauraInLA Apr 2024 #165

True, non white rural Americans aren't wanting to take establish a dictatorship cause their guy lost uponit7771 Apr 2024 #169

Is It Really? ProfessorGAC Apr 2024 #110

Yeah. I'm not seeing any data. Nor any point. Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #137

You might find the Atlantic article mentioned above more interesting. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #148

Great article. I read it all lindysalsagal Apr 2024 #10

Thank you! I heartily agree. The idea that we should give up on rural voters is incredibly problematic. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #17

Hat tip to ocelot2, who linked to an Atlantic article about this same book. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #55

Thank you for the gift link! LearnedHand Apr 2024 #113

Thanks to ocelot2!!! LauraInLA Apr 2024 #120

I live in Texas and there's quite a bit of overlap between rural and non-rural. bluesbassman Apr 2024 #12

I grew up in Texas and agree with you about the rural/semi-rural/urban overlap. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #27

Great points. bluesbassman Apr 2024 #57

I think you'll definitely find the Atlantic article mentioned above interesting -- LauraInLA Apr 2024 #87

Cui bono? If it's true that "rural" Americans are a bunch of ignorant, racist hillbillies, Ocelot II Apr 2024 #128

Another idiotic reference to 'self-reliance'. Aristus Apr 2024 #16

Apparently, there are rural Democrats who are doing just that. Maybe we need to learn from them. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #18

I'm not sure what I could learn from them. Aristus Apr 2024 #23

I was referring to the Democratic politicians referenced who are successful with rural voters. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #28

Hmm, think I found the "-ism". yagotme Apr 2024 #42

With all due respect, considering that something like 20-30% of rural voters are Democrats LauraInLA Apr 2024 #20

Respect... yagotme Apr 2024 #26

Agreed!!! I just replied the same way ;). LauraInLA Apr 2024 #30

Well, keep reading the thread. It just gets deeper. yagotme Apr 2024 #46

Definitely! And absolutely read the Atlantic article mentioned above -- it's even better. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #72

You're going to vote republican because some anonymous person Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #62

The overall point was that some seem to think that the Dem Party yagotme Apr 2024 #74

Plenty here do disparage city life. But why would I give a shit? Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #84

The general gist of the thread, and to my general point, is the idea that the Dem Party yagotme Apr 2024 #90

The Party support in cities is made up of the people who live in the cities. Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #94

So, other than Presidential, what campaigns is the DNC/Dem Party assisting with? yagotme Apr 2024 #96

People buy the yard signs and bumper stickers with their own money. Or the candidate's staff Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #99

My local office has the signs/stickers, etc. yagotme Apr 2024 #102

If the central Democratic party is paying for them, you're getting more Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #104

+1 . n/t obnoxiousdrunk Apr 2024 #63

This x1000 Ontheboundry Apr 2024 #68

In small-town, rural areas, yagotme Apr 2024 #85

My general thought Ontheboundry Apr 2024 #106

Family "clan" in the old country becoming "small town" in the new. yagotme Apr 2024 #108

This is it exactly Ontheboundry Apr 2024 #166

Entitlement and an inflated sense of self worth Johnny2X2X Apr 2024 #22

I read this twice and still can't figure out where this author is going. Raven123 Apr 2024 #24

I shared the article because it is data-driven and suggests that the latest book and media response LauraInLA Apr 2024 #39

Thanks for the response. Raven123 Apr 2024 #56

Not being rural based is fine. yagotme Apr 2024 #64

I agree with you! Sherrod Brown does seem in touch with and able to reach LauraInLA Apr 2024 #65

Rural White Rage is the result of consuming too much AM hate radio RAB910 Apr 2024 #25

And in the case of NE rural texas gay texan Apr 2024 #60

I grew up in white rural America. shrike3 Apr 2024 #29

Yeah, but we're the bad guys for not trying to understand them. Aristus Apr 2024 #32

I'm originally from a small town in Ohio - surrounded by farmland. And... LeftinOH Apr 2024 #31

A criticism of the Schaller/Waldman book from The Atlantic is at the link: Ocelot II Apr 2024 #33

Thank you for sharing this! I'm interested to read more about this topic. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #47

If you don't mind, I'm going to post that article separately with a hat tip to you. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #73

About 75% of the vote TFG got in MI came from urban counties Kaleva Apr 2024 #35

+1, looks like the author is conflating suburbs with rural or exurban areas. Sick of people making excuses for mostly .. uponit7771 Apr 2024 #161

I agree Kaleva Apr 2024 #163

I scanned, but did not closely read, this article. dawg Apr 2024 #37

As someone above posted, here's another critique of the book: LauraInLA Apr 2024 #51

Here in WI in '22 our white governor, Tony Evers, was reelected. elocs Apr 2024 #38

So their racism is distinct from their rage? ismnotwasm Apr 2024 #45

I don't think the author intends to suggest we ignore the racism. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #59

the overriding point (or criticism) stopdiggin Apr 2024 #98

So well put!!! LauraInLA Apr 2024 #107

Those MF'ers that put buckshot in those Bud Light cans..... wolfie001 Apr 2024 #61

article makes a decent point stopdiggin Apr 2024 #69

Ooh, you should definitely read the Atlantic article mentioned above. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #71

Rural Texas is dying SARose Apr 2024 #77

hard to help people who don't want to help themselves LymphocyteLover Apr 2024 #115

Self delete SARose Apr 2024 #78

Ha, it was my meeting white rural people in the Michigan one summer in 1973 that made me go back to kimbutgar Apr 2024 #79

Delusional thinking no_hypocrisy Apr 2024 #80

The Atlantic article mentioned above makes a very interesting point: LauraInLA Apr 2024 #83

I really didn't need a book to tell me all that. I have relatives who live in rural Alabama Ray Bruns Apr 2024 #95

As the Atlantic article points out, the book says it's talking about rural whites, but it ISN'T. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #97

I have to admit. I'm prejudice against some rural folks...especially in the South. chouchou Apr 2024 #100

Where is the article that tells us what "Conservatives got wrong with the Urban American: Literally Everything" Bristlecone Apr 2024 #109

I don't recall ANY TV news people interviewing Clinton voters thucythucy Apr 2024 #122

+1 betsuni Apr 2024 #139

"That would be a massive mistake ... that does truly threaten democracy"??? LearnedHand Apr 2024 #112

I think he has a point -- Dems are devoting resources to rural areas, but we need to find ways to reach them politically. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #117

I agree Kaleva Apr 2024 #124

There are Democrats in rural areas. It's hard for the party to reach them due to mileage required. LeftInTX Apr 2024 #114

I agree LearnedHand Apr 2024 #116

People hold to their values, or they don't. Has nothing to do with what you MerryBlooms Apr 2024 #140

I grew up in rural, north central Pennsylvania, and still have family there; I'm not buying it! n/t markpkessinger Apr 2024 #118

Not buying what? LauraInLA Apr 2024 #119

That liberals have "got it all wrong" about rural folks! n/t markpkessinger Apr 2024 #121

One thing this and the Atlantic article mention in rebuttal to the book is that LauraInLA Apr 2024 #123

I hope Biden gets the message out that broadband internet will allow applegrove Apr 2024 #126

Nah, we get it that they're simply trash. Jirel Apr 2024 #127

Rage was on full display Jan, 6, 2021. RandySF Apr 2024 #131

What will it taketo make them happy because economics has absolutely nothing to do with it. RandySF Apr 2024 #132

Half of this thread is just dehumanizing rural voters Mountainguy Apr 2024 #134

No kidding. MuseRider Apr 2024 #138

Yeah Mountainguy Apr 2024 #141

Exactly that AND MuseRider Apr 2024 #142

Pretty much Captain Stern Apr 2024 #149

Randos on a political message board dehumanizes more than having resources taken away and handed to the rich? uponit7771 Apr 2024 #162

I had the book on my list of possible purchases but now I'm definitely buying it. betsuni Apr 2024 #135

Democratic union types sound like rural types, too Sympthsical Apr 2024 #136

I wish I could give you a thousand recommendations! LauraInLA Apr 2024 #154

The problem ThoughtCriminal Apr 2024 #143

FYI, both sides gerrymander. ni yagotme Apr 2024 #170

Morning Joe interview with the authors here. The liberal/Democrat elites ignore/don't listen thing is BS. betsuni Apr 2024 #150

And Trae Crowder (The Liberal Redneck) interview with the book authors. betsuni Apr 2024 #160

You've got to remember that... LudwigPastorius Apr 2024 #152

Well, isn't this a thorny topic? Bayard Apr 2024 #157

Rush Limbaugh courted the Midwest rural vote for over 30 years Norbert Apr 2024 #164

I'm just bored by them JustAnotherGen Apr 2024 #167

This is not new shit... WJ Cash Mind of the South jcgoldie Apr 2024 #168