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LearnedHand

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116. I agree
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 05:41 PM
Apr 2024

I don't mean we should abandon rural democrats. My rage is directed at the author of the linked article who said the democrats pose the true threat. I live in a semi-rural now and lived in rural areas for decades before as a democrat among raging right-wing evangelicals. They don't believe they need reaching.

I don't mean to paint with such a hugely wide brush, but I'm tired of being told I'm the threat to democracy because I'm somehow failing rageful rural voters. With the ongoing assaults on democracy, women, LGBTQ, immigrant, and POC communities, I have nothing left to give them.

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Takes him a while to get to the point. maxsolomon Apr 2024 #1
Yeah, I wanna call BS on that too Happy Hoosier Apr 2024 #2
Worse NanaCat Apr 2024 #3
Worse. They demand respect for their disrespect of others. unblock Apr 2024 #14
One of the biggest rednecks I worked with at a Budweiser distributor accuse me of not having any respect brewens Apr 2024 #129
One of his points, which I think we would agree with, is that this is not specifically a rural problem. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #6
I don;t think anyone here is arguing that white rural people are uniform. Happy Hoosier Apr 2024 #66
while almost nothing about whether his address is rural stopdiggin Apr 2024 #82
I live amongst them and you are absolutely correct prodigitalson Apr 2024 #9
Interesting upshot from the Atlantic article about this book: LauraInLA Apr 2024 #86
As you say, "rustic types" and "city slickers" may often distrust and dislike each other. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #5
that's because I think many rural resentments are unfounded. maxsolomon Apr 2024 #75
Definitely read the Atlantic article recced above -- it has a lot of useful LauraInLA Apr 2024 #81
At the same time these people are ready to put "liberals" in cannons and shoot them into space Cosmocat Apr 2024 #125
The related _Atlantic_ article is more direct -- LauraInLA Apr 2024 #67
Thanks for this info Bayard Apr 2024 #151
It is the homegirl Apr 2024 #103
so this is another "understand the Trump voter" apologia... agingdem Apr 2024 #105
I think that's not really the problem the author has with this book; LauraInLA Apr 2024 #144
This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Apr 2024 #130
It's simply bad behavior, no excuse for enabling bad thinking uponit7771 Apr 2024 #133
Their "rage" is based on their fears. Ping Tung Apr 2024 #4
As we also know, racism is not particularly or exclusively a rural trait. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #8
who are these rural whites that voted for Obama in 2012? I have never met one. I know a bunch who like to spit "Hussien prodigitalson Apr 2024 #15
"How do you do. Pleased to meet you." yagotme Apr 2024 #19
a rural white and a black swan all at once! prodigitalson Apr 2024 #21
How do you figure? yagotme Apr 2024 #34
I was born and raised in East Texas, so spare me prodigitalson Apr 2024 #36
So was my grandfather, and his whole family votes Democratic. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #41
50 years ago all of the rural whites voted Dem..we all know what happened prodigitalson Apr 2024 #44
The point is, you seem to have an issue with rural whites, yagotme Apr 2024 #48
I am saying that as a demographic they area waste of time for Democrats. I know them. I live among them prodigitalson Apr 2024 #54
So, "To hell with us", right? yagotme Apr 2024 #58
The billions going to rural infrastructure in Biden's bill is you not getting any consideration from your Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #70
In another reply, I referred to those that think the Dem Party should yagotme Apr 2024 #76
So you DO want more Democratic money spent in places where Democrats have no hope of Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #89
Seems people putting words in my mouth today is a popular event. yagotme Apr 2024 #92
I live among them myself, you can't reason with one of the Trump cult doc03 Apr 2024 #153
My point is, that my white rural family votes Democratic today. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #53
I've lived in big cities, and rural areas. yagotme Apr 2024 #50
++ They exist but familiar, negative perceptions are hardened. appalachiablue Apr 2024 #111
Thanks for the article recommendation! LauraInLA Apr 2024 #146
I'd guess the 20-30% of rural Americans who vote Democratic. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #40
And that leaves 70% who are POS. nt GuppyGal Apr 2024 #88
I'm one Kaleva Apr 2024 #91
(Shhhh. We don't exist.) nt yagotme Apr 2024 #93
For the longest time, racism was, in theory, confined to the South. We know that ain't true either. Chainfire Apr 2024 #101
It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad -- LauraInLA Apr 2024 #147
After all these years of having the reasons for white rural rage shoved down my throat, Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #7
This article is a data-driven analysis differentiating resentment (rational) from rage (irrational). LauraInLA Apr 2024 #11
That's nice. Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #13
Not "nice", but important, especially since it includes POC who Democrats tend to LauraInLA Apr 2024 #43
No. By definition, POC are not part of rural white rage. Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #49
The book is talking about rural areas as though it's only the whites who count. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #52
No, opposite. The book authors: "24% of rural Americans are non-white now and we have had eight years since Trump betsuni Apr 2024 #145
I've read that chapter. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #155
The book is about white rage so of course "the 'rage' focused on in the book is that of whites." betsuni Apr 2024 #156
You responded to my comment where I said the book focused on white rage/resentment, while the LauraInLA Apr 2024 #158
White rural Republican voters are the overwhelming majority with disproportionate power but betsuni Apr 2024 #159
I guess we're talking at cross purposes. The book misuses data in multiple ways LauraInLA Apr 2024 #165
True, non white rural Americans aren't wanting to take establish a dictatorship cause their guy lost uponit7771 Apr 2024 #169
Is It Really? ProfessorGAC Apr 2024 #110
Yeah. I'm not seeing any data. Nor any point. Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #137
You might find the Atlantic article mentioned above more interesting. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #148
Great article. I read it all lindysalsagal Apr 2024 #10
Thank you! I heartily agree. The idea that we should give up on rural voters is incredibly problematic. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #17
Hat tip to ocelot2, who linked to an Atlantic article about this same book. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #55
Thank you for the gift link! LearnedHand Apr 2024 #113
Thanks to ocelot2!!! LauraInLA Apr 2024 #120
I live in Texas and there's quite a bit of overlap between rural and non-rural. bluesbassman Apr 2024 #12
I grew up in Texas and agree with you about the rural/semi-rural/urban overlap. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #27
Great points. bluesbassman Apr 2024 #57
I think you'll definitely find the Atlantic article mentioned above interesting -- LauraInLA Apr 2024 #87
Cui bono? If it's true that "rural" Americans are a bunch of ignorant, racist hillbillies, Ocelot II Apr 2024 #128
Another idiotic reference to 'self-reliance'. Aristus Apr 2024 #16
Apparently, there are rural Democrats who are doing just that. Maybe we need to learn from them. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #18
I'm not sure what I could learn from them. Aristus Apr 2024 #23
I was referring to the Democratic politicians referenced who are successful with rural voters. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #28
Hmm, think I found the "-ism". yagotme Apr 2024 #42
With all due respect, considering that something like 20-30% of rural voters are Democrats LauraInLA Apr 2024 #20
Respect... yagotme Apr 2024 #26
Agreed!!! I just replied the same way ;). LauraInLA Apr 2024 #30
Well, keep reading the thread. It just gets deeper. yagotme Apr 2024 #46
Definitely! And absolutely read the Atlantic article mentioned above -- it's even better. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #72
You're going to vote republican because some anonymous person Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #62
The overall point was that some seem to think that the Dem Party yagotme Apr 2024 #74
Plenty here do disparage city life. But why would I give a shit? Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #84
The general gist of the thread, and to my general point, is the idea that the Dem Party yagotme Apr 2024 #90
The Party support in cities is made up of the people who live in the cities. Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #94
So, other than Presidential, what campaigns is the DNC/Dem Party assisting with? yagotme Apr 2024 #96
People buy the yard signs and bumper stickers with their own money. Or the candidate's staff Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #99
My local office has the signs/stickers, etc. yagotme Apr 2024 #102
If the central Democratic party is paying for them, you're getting more Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #104
+1 . n/t obnoxiousdrunk Apr 2024 #63
This x1000 Ontheboundry Apr 2024 #68
In small-town, rural areas, yagotme Apr 2024 #85
My general thought Ontheboundry Apr 2024 #106
Family "clan" in the old country becoming "small town" in the new. yagotme Apr 2024 #108
This is it exactly Ontheboundry Apr 2024 #166
Entitlement and an inflated sense of self worth Johnny2X2X Apr 2024 #22
I read this twice and still can't figure out where this author is going. Raven123 Apr 2024 #24
I shared the article because it is data-driven and suggests that the latest book and media response LauraInLA Apr 2024 #39
Thanks for the response. Raven123 Apr 2024 #56
Not being rural based is fine. yagotme Apr 2024 #64
I agree with you! Sherrod Brown does seem in touch with and able to reach LauraInLA Apr 2024 #65
Rural White Rage is the result of consuming too much AM hate radio RAB910 Apr 2024 #25
And in the case of NE rural texas gay texan Apr 2024 #60
I grew up in white rural America. shrike3 Apr 2024 #29
Yeah, but we're the bad guys for not trying to understand them. Aristus Apr 2024 #32
I'm originally from a small town in Ohio - surrounded by farmland. And... LeftinOH Apr 2024 #31
A criticism of the Schaller/Waldman book from The Atlantic is at the link: Ocelot II Apr 2024 #33
Thank you for sharing this! I'm interested to read more about this topic. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #47
If you don't mind, I'm going to post that article separately with a hat tip to you. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #73
About 75% of the vote TFG got in MI came from urban counties Kaleva Apr 2024 #35
+1, looks like the author is conflating suburbs with rural or exurban areas. Sick of people making excuses for mostly .. uponit7771 Apr 2024 #161
I agree Kaleva Apr 2024 #163
I scanned, but did not closely read, this article. dawg Apr 2024 #37
As someone above posted, here's another critique of the book: LauraInLA Apr 2024 #51
Here in WI in '22 our white governor, Tony Evers, was reelected. elocs Apr 2024 #38
So their racism is distinct from their rage? ismnotwasm Apr 2024 #45
I don't think the author intends to suggest we ignore the racism. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #59
the overriding point (or criticism) stopdiggin Apr 2024 #98
So well put!!! LauraInLA Apr 2024 #107
Those MF'ers that put buckshot in those Bud Light cans..... wolfie001 Apr 2024 #61
article makes a decent point stopdiggin Apr 2024 #69
Ooh, you should definitely read the Atlantic article mentioned above. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #71
Rural Texas is dying SARose Apr 2024 #77
hard to help people who don't want to help themselves LymphocyteLover Apr 2024 #115
Self delete SARose Apr 2024 #78
Ha, it was my meeting white rural people in the Michigan one summer in 1973 that made me go back to kimbutgar Apr 2024 #79
Delusional thinking no_hypocrisy Apr 2024 #80
The Atlantic article mentioned above makes a very interesting point: LauraInLA Apr 2024 #83
I really didn't need a book to tell me all that. I have relatives who live in rural Alabama Ray Bruns Apr 2024 #95
As the Atlantic article points out, the book says it's talking about rural whites, but it ISN'T. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #97
I have to admit. I'm prejudice against some rural folks...especially in the South. chouchou Apr 2024 #100
Where is the article that tells us what "Conservatives got wrong with the Urban American: Literally Everything" Bristlecone Apr 2024 #109
I don't recall ANY TV news people interviewing Clinton voters thucythucy Apr 2024 #122
+1 betsuni Apr 2024 #139
"That would be a massive mistake ... that does truly threaten democracy"??? LearnedHand Apr 2024 #112
I think he has a point -- Dems are devoting resources to rural areas, but we need to find ways to reach them politically. LauraInLA Apr 2024 #117
I agree Kaleva Apr 2024 #124
There are Democrats in rural areas. It's hard for the party to reach them due to mileage required. LeftInTX Apr 2024 #114
I agree LearnedHand Apr 2024 #116
People hold to their values, or they don't. Has nothing to do with what you MerryBlooms Apr 2024 #140
I grew up in rural, north central Pennsylvania, and still have family there; I'm not buying it! n/t markpkessinger Apr 2024 #118
Not buying what? LauraInLA Apr 2024 #119
That liberals have "got it all wrong" about rural folks! n/t markpkessinger Apr 2024 #121
One thing this and the Atlantic article mention in rebuttal to the book is that LauraInLA Apr 2024 #123
I hope Biden gets the message out that broadband internet will allow applegrove Apr 2024 #126
Nah, we get it that they're simply trash. Jirel Apr 2024 #127
Rage was on full display Jan, 6, 2021. RandySF Apr 2024 #131
What will it taketo make them happy because economics has absolutely nothing to do with it. RandySF Apr 2024 #132
Half of this thread is just dehumanizing rural voters Mountainguy Apr 2024 #134
No kidding. MuseRider Apr 2024 #138
Yeah Mountainguy Apr 2024 #141
Exactly that AND MuseRider Apr 2024 #142
Pretty much Captain Stern Apr 2024 #149
Randos on a political message board dehumanizes more than having resources taken away and handed to the rich? uponit7771 Apr 2024 #162
I had the book on my list of possible purchases but now I'm definitely buying it. betsuni Apr 2024 #135
Democratic union types sound like rural types, too Sympthsical Apr 2024 #136
I wish I could give you a thousand recommendations! LauraInLA Apr 2024 #154
The problem ThoughtCriminal Apr 2024 #143
FYI, both sides gerrymander. ni yagotme Apr 2024 #170
Morning Joe interview with the authors here. The liberal/Democrat elites ignore/don't listen thing is BS. betsuni Apr 2024 #150
And Trae Crowder (The Liberal Redneck) interview with the book authors. betsuni Apr 2024 #160
You've got to remember that... LudwigPastorius Apr 2024 #152
Well, isn't this a thorny topic? Bayard Apr 2024 #157
Rush Limbaugh courted the Midwest rural vote for over 30 years Norbert Apr 2024 #164
I'm just bored by them JustAnotherGen Apr 2024 #167
This is not new shit... WJ Cash Mind of the South jcgoldie Apr 2024 #168
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