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kpete

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Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:02 PM Nov 2012

OBAMA's Trojan Horse - No, He Won't Cave! - by David Corn [View all]

The Myth of the Obama Cave-In
With the "fiscal cliff" looming, the conventional wisdom is that the president capitulated during the last tax-cut fight. Here's what really happen


by David Corn

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Obama's aides, though, also knew that by the end of the year there would be some legislation regarding the Bush tax cuts—however that knotty issue was to be resolved—and they came up with a plan to turn this measure into something of a Trojan Horse that could contain (or hide) various stimulative measures. Before the midterm elections, Obama's economic team began compiling a list of possibilities, including a payroll tax cut and various tax credits.

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Two years later, Obama still does not tell the story of that period well. In response to Yellin's question, he did not take explicit issue with her cave-in characterization:

Well, two years ago, the economy was in a different situation. We were still very much in the early parts of recovering from the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. And ultimately, we came together not only to extend the Bush tax cuts, but also a wide range of policies that were going to be good for the economy at that point—unemployment insurance extensions, payroll tax extension—all of which made a difference, and is part of the reason why what we've seen now is 32 consecutive months of job growth and over 5.5 million jobs created and the unemployment rate coming down.


Yet Obama is right: the current circumstances are different, and after his reelection he is in a better position to do battle on the tax-cut front. He told Yellin:

What I said at the time is what I meant, which is this was a one-time proposition. And what I have told leaders privately as well as publicly is that we cannot afford to extend the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. What we can do is make sure that middle-class taxes don’t go up.

In a recent White House meeting with labor leaders and progressive activists, Obama signaled he is ready to fight the GOPers—and this time dare the Republicans to block continuing the tax cuts for the middle-class. But no one ought to forget that Obama, a progressive in his policy preferences, remains a pragmatist. What happened two years ago is not an indication that Obama is likely to yield in the new face-off, but that he will be assessing the political dynamics in gridlocked Washington and be willing to bargain hard for a good deal with true benefits.

That's not caving in. It's governing.

much more:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/11/obama-fiscal-cliff-budget-deal-bush-tax-cuts?page=2
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This is what many saw ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #1
This John2 Nov 2012 #11
I wouldn't say ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #16
Yup, I picked up on that too. Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #53
VERY well stated! & Precisely right, there were those here, who when we lost the decision against patrice Nov 2012 #12
This. mac56 Nov 2012 #24
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #28
We have our own JNelson6563 Nov 2012 #33
Falsely implying that Democrats with whom you disagree of being disloyal is a McCarthy tactic. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #51
lolz JNelson6563 Nov 2012 #59
There is no fiscal cliff leftstreet Nov 2012 #2
Thank-you. robinlynne Nov 2012 #4
Exactly. He should reject the term. Call their bluff, then start from sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #7
Agreed, strongly agreed! PO should publicly reject "fiscal cliff" & so should we! nt patrice Nov 2012 #14
It's a tactical marketing decision BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #19
Bingo ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #23
Wrong. They deny the truth about marketing leftstreet Nov 2012 #34
You're kidding, right? Or, are you ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #43
No Dem will have his political capital again in our lifetimes leftstreet Nov 2012 #49
Sloganism ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #57
Because Democrats staged healthcare 'town halls' leftstreet Nov 2012 #64
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #68
He could have done all those things?? Really? BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #45
Yes. Those are the reasons people elected him leftstreet Nov 2012 #50
He got it because of 9/11, and cowed Congress with the political capital BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #52
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #58
The difference is ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #20
Heretic. Jakes Progress Nov 2012 #25
so caving isn't really caving hfojvt Nov 2012 #3
That'll show 'em. cliffordu Nov 2012 #5
no, it won't be any more hfojvt Nov 2012 #9
The pre-cave cave, but it being from Mother Jones is unfathomable. I too plethoro Nov 2012 #6
I strongly disagree with Corn. bvar22 Nov 2012 #8
MYTHS AND MISINFORMATION ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY- Part 2 pinto Nov 2012 #29
It is NO myth... bvar22 Nov 2012 #41
Ah geez. I didn't "weasel & worm, distort & evade, twist & torture". I simply reposted SSA statement pinto Nov 2012 #44
So then you agree with every fact I stated in the above post. bvar22 Nov 2012 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author bvar22 Nov 2012 #48
Same facts, different characterization zipplewrath Nov 2012 #10
If Republicans get away with the deductions lie, Agnosticsherbet Nov 2012 #13
+1 forestpath Nov 2012 #17
Yup. Sounds like spin to me. joeunderdog Nov 2012 #56
there is good reason to think he will NOT cave this time (on tax cuts) Enrique Nov 2012 #15
I don't John2 Nov 2012 #22
they are openly talking about the Medicare eligibility age Enrique Nov 2012 #31
It's a 'fiscal bluff', R's are terrified to cut the bloated war budget.... grahamhgreen Nov 2012 #18
'Fiscal Bluff'. I like that better. It is more honest. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #27
Agreed. This Congress needs to keep their phuking mitts off of Social Security AND Medicare! nt patrice Nov 2012 #36
I like "Bluff" because a bluff is not only a cliff, but a deception, and it resembles grahamhgreen Nov 2012 #42
Yes, it is a great play on the word 'cliff', lol! Related geographically, but sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #55
We had better think long and hard on this subject... kentuck Nov 2012 #21
the "white flag" has already been waved before negotiations have started. snooze nt msongs Nov 2012 #26
FIGHT Congress!!! -> contact info: patrice Nov 2012 #30
Obama could not let them expire last time because that would have rasied takes on those JoePhilly Nov 2012 #32
My case for letting the Bush Tax Cuts end, it ALL depends upon what we get for it: patrice Nov 2012 #35
Of course, that's what happened. Thanks JoePhilly That's exactly what would Cha Nov 2012 #37
+1,000 to what you said. freshwest Nov 2012 #61
Actually Joe. In the last election, the President said that he would let ALL taxes increase bluestate10 Nov 2012 #39
Yup ... I was describing the promises he made in 2008 ... JoePhilly Nov 2012 #46
I favor Warren Buffet's plan. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #38
Matthew Iglesias calls it a "Triumph" .. Cha Nov 2012 #40
Thanks for that one. freshwest Nov 2012 #62
Sure! :) Cha Nov 2012 #63
It was, but not ProSense Nov 2012 #65
I saw the stupid last night Cha Nov 2012 #69
Geez....are they ALL IN ON IT?!?! I am still stunned after seeing a clip of David Plouffe on forestpath Nov 2012 #54
K & R freshwest Nov 2012 #60
Democrats have been putting up a united front. ProSense Nov 2012 #66
I think the only difference between getting to his intended goal now or later is lunatica Nov 2012 #67
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