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Kali

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135. yeah the regs are designed to shut the (small) competition down

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:04 AM

Nov 2012

I know some folks selling organic/natural beef, they blew off the certification bs and have an open operation. their customers know how the ranch is run (and many have volunteered time there) so they know what they are buying. It is a trust relationship developed between the grower and the consumer that no govt regulation or corporate co-opting of language can ever duplicate.

I raise beef cattle in a totally natural way (no antibiotics in feed, no hormones etc) but still sell to conventional buyers. The work involved in doing this with meat is more than I can handle. Between the regulations and the extra time involved I haven't been able to make that step, although we have sold the occasional live animal to individuals and to the types of operations like my friends mentioned above.

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yeah the regs are designed to shut the (small) competition down Kali Nov 2012 #135

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