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Giordano Burno

(29 posts)
7. The Question is Open as to Whether a Jewish Ethno-State is Justified Considering the Holocaust
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 03:18 PM
Apr 2024

I tend to fall on the side of it being justified but not if the ethnic-cleansing of an indigenous population is required to establish it.

What is not at question is that the concept of an ethno-state state is fundamentally anti-democratic. We would never accept America as a "white" homeland because it is at odds with liberal, enlightenment values, just as we wouldn't accept an Arab ethno-state in historical Palestine where Jews were forced out.

Arguing for a democratic state that treats Palestinian Arabs and Jews as equal under the law from the Jordan River to Gaza is not fundamentally anti-semitic. It is fundamentally democratic. You can disagree with it or call it naive and unworkable, but certainly calling "hateful" is inaccurate and ignores the ethic cleaning in 1948 and the last 75 years of Palestinian displacement, suffering and humiliation.

We must all come to terms with the fact that the status quo is not viable for either Jews or Palestinians.




>>Tabassum’s Instagram account links to a slideshow encouraging people to “learn about what’s happening in palestine, and how to help.” It calls for “one palestinian state,” which it says “would mean palestinian liberation, and the complete abolishment of the state of israel.”

Trojans for Israel said this “must be denounced as antisemitic bigotry.”

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The learning continues long after school's over. calimary Apr 2024 #1
Being that this is government action, free speech is very much a concern here. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2024 #2
Absolutely not! No one calling for mass murder should be honored. n/t Coventina Apr 2024 #3
But she still is the valedictorian. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2024 #4
Too bad, so sad. Her threatening posts on social media Coventina Apr 2024 #5
Where did she call for mass murder? Big Blue Marble Apr 2024 #16
Are you claiming that the eradication of Israel would NOT be mass murder? Coventina Apr 2024 #17
The term that was used in link Big Blue Marble Apr 2024 #21
Please explain how "abolishment" would work without mass murder. Coventina Apr 2024 #22
Organized states come and go throughout history. Big Blue Marble Apr 2024 #28
Dissolving is not abolishment. Coventina Apr 2024 #32
The vision that many Palestinians share is Big Blue Marble Apr 2024 #35
You think the UN is going to "dissolve" Israel? Coventina Apr 2024 #38
Slow down; this is not my vision; this is the vision of many like Asna Tabassum. Big Blue Marble Apr 2024 #42
There are already large numbers of Muslims in Israel! Coventina Apr 2024 #45
They are second class citizens who live in fear and many restrictions. Big Blue Marble Apr 2024 #47
Calling for the end of Israel is antisemitic and calling for the eradication of Jews. Coventina Apr 2024 #53
That is your opinion and we will just have to disagree on both counts. N/T Big Blue Marble Apr 2024 #54
You wouldn't happen to have a link proving the claim sarisataka Apr 2024 #40
The Idea of a One State Solution is gaining support both in Palestine Big Blue Marble Apr 2024 #46
As Wikipedia itself notes, there is no reference when the alleged support increased sarisataka Apr 2024 #49
Some Jewish zionists wanted Israel to be a secular nation. PufPuf23 Apr 2024 #77
The military branches of Palestinians, Hamas and Hezbollah, wnylib Apr 2024 #37
Not to mention the Palestinian Authority has a "Pay to Slay" program that rewards Coventina Apr 2024 #39
How do you actually get from murderous Hamas to Asna Tabassum? Big Blue Marble Apr 2024 #43
From the OP, it appears that she does support wnylib Apr 2024 #50
Well Said, wnylib TY! Cha Apr 2024 #64
Well, I'm damned tired of so much misinformation fueling wnylib Apr 2024 #68
☝ THIS! ☝ ShazzieB Apr 2024 #74
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2024 #79
How does a unitary Israel without a two state solution occur PufPuf23 Apr 2024 #80
I also want a two-state solution, but that is not what this student is advocating. n/t Coventina Apr 2024 #81
She didn't call for mass murder obamanut2012 Apr 2024 #23
How would that work, without mass murder? Coventina Apr 2024 #27
USC is a private school AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2024 #6
My bad. I read it in my head as UCLA. Not sure why. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2024 #9
Public v. private universities mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2024 #13
Its not a government action. former9thward Apr 2024 #25
USC is a private university. Valedictorians earn their spot spooky3 Apr 2024 #29
They describe a selection process in the article Prairie Gates Apr 2024 #78
Government action? Zeitghost Apr 2024 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author ShazzieB Apr 2024 #60
I think Ontheboundry Apr 2024 #76
The Question is Open as to Whether a Jewish Ethno-State is Justified Considering the Holocaust Giordano Burno Apr 2024 #7
The question is not open, it was done, whether anyone agrees with it or not. Coventina Apr 2024 #8
Where does she say "annihilation"? Giordano Burno Apr 2024 #18
Calling for the erasure (however worded) of Israel is antisemitism. Coventina Apr 2024 #19
The phrase was Giordano Burno Apr 2024 #41
None of your examples in any way equates to the nation of Israel. None. Coventina Apr 2024 #44
If my Home was an Antebellum Plantation Giordano Burno Apr 2024 #58
The "stupid animals in Congress"? ShazzieB Apr 2024 #61
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2024 #67
👍 ShazzieB Apr 2024 #72
You comparing the nation of Israel to a slave-based plantation is extremely gross and offensive. Coventina Apr 2024 #62
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2024 #66
chattel slavery and the situation in the Middle East are in NO WAY comparable! Coventina Apr 2024 #69
I absosolutely agree, Coventina! ShazzieB Apr 2024 #73
No need to apologize! You are 100% correct! Coventina Apr 2024 #75
Whatever she wishes about Isreael it's Not Cha Apr 2024 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Apr 2024 #31
Your history is a bit off. Jews are indigenous to Palestine, wnylib Apr 2024 #48
Your 4th paragraph Mountainguy Apr 2024 #57
Security concerns from whom? WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2024 #10
I think it's concern about fights between the two sides. n/t Coventina Apr 2024 #12
Should have been done out of taste. BannonsLiver Apr 2024 #11
Oh wow.. I was wondering why Cha Apr 2024 #14
Ironic, right?! Behind the Aegis Apr 2024 #20
Exactly LeftInTX Apr 2024 #24
Oh Wow.. Exactly! Cha Apr 2024 #26
Good. nt LexVegas Apr 2024 #15
Great decision by USC. She doesn't get to inflict herself Nixie Apr 2024 #30
Inflammatory political speeches have no place at commencement ceremonies. sop Apr 2024 #51
Where does it say her speech is inflammatory? Big Blue Marble Apr 2024 #56
Her social media posts called for the "complete abolishment of the state of Israel." SunSeeker Apr 2024 #59
But how do we know that is what her speech would be? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2024 #70
Are you suggesting USC should give its mic to someone who believes Israel should be "completely abolished"? SunSeeker Apr 2024 #71
Judging from the comments on this thread alone, it's clear her commencement address would have created sop Apr 2024 #65
Way to lead the next Generation USC!.. Not. Westcoast4life Apr 2024 #33
It's Not USC who is in the Wrong. Cha Apr 2024 #36
The university made the correct decision. beaglelover Apr 2024 #34
There's a reason the nickname used to be AkFemDem Apr 2024 #52
You can debate the merits of this childish desire PCIntern Apr 2024 #63
I get what you are saying, but i worry where this is going. karynnj Apr 2024 #82
This never was about the content of her intended speech. Big Blue Marble Apr 2024 #83
USC: Don't blame Jews for canceling your valedictorian Behind the Aegis Apr 2024 #85
Rob Eshman makes a Lot of sense. Cha Apr 2024 #88
USC has a right to defend itself! Bucky Apr 2024 #86
I think should've let her speak. Either she was going to create a disturbance or she wasn't. betsuni Apr 2024 #87
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