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In reply to the discussion: The Military ruined this country [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)108. I provided the link. The rental on those bases is in there.
Rentals come out of Operations and maintenance, with a little from Military Construction and Family Housing.
The only weapons systems not included in that budget are the nukes. They're under Department of Energy. But we're not building new ones so the R&D and procurement is relatively small.
The we spend 421 billion at Wal-mart doesn't make sense. Who are WE? Citizens spending money shopping, that's not included in GDP.
GDP is "the market value of all officially recognized final goods and services produced within a country in a given period of time."
Wal-Mart sells final goods. By definition, they are being sold at market value. Whether or not their foreign-made goods are imports for the purposes of GDP depends on how exactly they're imported.
But most importantly, that number is present to provide a sense of scale. The money we spend on "building weapons" is half of what we spend at Wal-Mart. To claim our entire economy is built around "building weapons" is silly when a single retailer's receipts is twice as much money.
O yes, the argument that only the military could invent these great products.
Fact is the military did discover and/or "invent" those technologies. To claim private enterprise would have "figured it out" ignores the fact that private enterprise had no reason to research those technologies.
For example, companies really had no need for a computer network that can survive a nuclear strike. So private enterprise had no reason to invent the Internet. In fact, private enterprise invented several proprietary networks in the place of the Internet.
We are kicking China's ass. Only less so every single day.
Data doesn't support this conclusion. That's why I provided a link to it.
Yes, China has had some explosive growth recently. But they have a very, very long way to get to the US, and there's a lot of enormous problems between now and "beating" the US.
The best and brightest are working for McDonald Douglas or Raytheon. Good pay for drone designers.
No, they pay crap compared to Wall Street. Writing new programs for Wall Street is one or two orders of magnitude more money. Plus, there's not that many drones being designed compared to the number of "best and brightest".
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Most of the modern tech we have today came from military related research is indisputable
ProgressiveProfessor
Nov 2012
#49
So still haven't absorbed all those examples of military tech we use every day? (nt)
jeff47
Nov 2012
#111
And why is it that if they are so good at innovation and invention they never managed
Generic Other
Nov 2012
#117
This was done to us on purpose. The PTB decided that the US working class was too uppity.
Romulox
Nov 2012
#2
All of a piece. Detroit was sacrificed to the East, for example, for military basing rights...
Romulox
Nov 2012
#5
How many of those in Congress and in the White House are, directly or indirectly, stockholders in
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#3
How come no one ever thanked a draft dodger for their sevice for their country?
bahrbearian
Nov 2012
#32
Actually, I know one Viet Nam vet who *has* thanked draft dodgers for the very reason you state.
ieoeja
Nov 2012
#80
It's not the military. It's the corporations run by the Daddy Warbucks that have ruined the country.
Texin
Nov 2012
#11
Contrarian view: Keynes once famously said it was preferable to have citizens dig holes
coalition_unwilling
Nov 2012
#13
On that, I think most of us can agree. I wanted to be sure that people understand
coalition_unwilling
Nov 2012
#23
If you're a draftee, I am 100% behind your getting all the benefits and medical care you need.
byeya
Nov 2012
#19
Includes the ultimate betrayal Botique Wars to justify MIC. Like the one Repubs want in Libya.
patrice
Nov 2012
#21
The military costs precisely as much or as little as our elected representatives allow.
AtheistCrusader
Nov 2012
#27
Bingo. We elected the people who decide how much gets spent on the military.
slackmaster
Nov 2012
#30
And how do these politicians come to this conclusion? The military tells them.
Arctic Dave
Nov 2012
#41
The Commander in Chief of the military also happens to be a person that we elected
slackmaster
Nov 2012
#65
I don't think that will work, but we should consider offering a parallel Dept of Peace with all of
patrice
Nov 2012
#33
Cutting the military's money supply is the last taboo in politics. But the adults must do it.
ancianita
Nov 2012
#39
Who is the "we"? The private sector miltary contractors or the actual troops? I know that
ancianita
Nov 2012
#116
Yes but I want to make the point that there is nothing inherently wrong with the military
elleng
Nov 2012
#85
it would be virtually impossible for another country to invade and hold the u.s.
BlueMan Votes
Nov 2012
#94