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hfojvt

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Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:57 AM Nov 2012

the lies of David W, Corn [View all]

Way, way back in 2004 or so, I donated $50 to the DNC to get an autographed copy of David Corn's book "The Lies of George W. Bush."

He wrote, for example, "By now it was old hat. If Bush was pushing a tax plan, he would describe it as deliverance for the middle class." page 244

Kinda funny too, now that I look at it. Corn's autograph looks like - DLC----

So now here is Corn now praising lies from a President and claiming that the extension of the Bush tax cuts, and also the accursed payroll tax cut are

wait for it

"deliverance for the middle class"

He writes http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/11/obama-fiscal-cliff-budget-deal-bush-tax-cuts?page=2


So Obama went after a deal. And what Biden cooked up with McConnell was pretty good for the White House. The package would extend the Bush tax cuts for all taxpayers for two years and would reduce estate taxes for the wealthy (a move many Democrats couldn't stand), but it also included a payroll tax cut, a child tax credit, additional unemployment insurance, renewable energy grants, and other stimulative measures. A White House chart noted that Obama had won $238 billion of stimulus in return for yielding on $114 billion in high-income tax cuts.


So, the accursed payroll tax cut is good for progressives. Some sort of victory for working people, or wait - the middle class.

The accursed payroll tax cut gave $13.55 billion in benefits to the bottom 40%, and $15.79 billion in benefits to the RICHEST 5%. And it gives a whopping $36.2 billion to the next 15%, making a grand total of $52 billion for the top 20% and less than a third of that for the bottom 40%.

But politicians like Bush, and now Obama, always want to include that 80-95th percentile group as part of the "middle class". That way, they can claim that tax cuts which give as much to the top 5% as they do to the middle 20% are really "middle class tax cuts".

Thank goodness there are progressive journalists like David Corn who won't let them get away with such lies.

Oh wait, now that a D (LCer) is in the White House, Corn is all too happy to catapault the propaganda.

I have to wonder if he, himself, is in the 90-95th percentile. Makes a cushy litttle living with his keyboard. Unlike myself, still at the 42nd percentile making a living with my back. Does his household make more than $88,000 a year? I strongly suspect it does. That unlike myself and Mr. Debs, he cannot say "If there is a lower class, I am in it ..."

Here's another lie - "yielding $114 billion in high income tax cuts".

Well, that seems to leave out the $80 billion in estate tax cuts, and also the $32 billion (over two years) going to the top 5% with the accursed payroll tax cut. But CTJ also says that the Obama "compromise" gave $108 billion PER YEAR to the top 1%. So that looks to me like $216 billion right there in "high income tax cuts". Unlike David W. Corn though, I also consider the rest of the top 5% (or as I call them, the top 4%) to also be "high income". They got $55.5 billion in tax cuts per year, for a total of $111 billion.

Not to mention the rest of the top 20% which is higher income than 80% of us make. They got $214 billion in tax cuts for the two years.

That compares pretty favorably to the $164 billion that the bottom 60% got.

So there's $621 billion in tax cuts going to the top 20%.

Corn describes this as "a good deal". Which it certainly was for him and his fellow members of the top 20%.

Not such a good deal for me. In 2011, my wage income was $15,814.01. And Obama's "good deal" replaced the "making work pay" credit with the accursed payroll tax cut. So unlike members of the top 20%, my taxes went up! (Granted, by a mere $83.72, but it's pretty tanjed aggravating that taxes for people like me would even go up a nickel as part of a "good deal" which gave average tax cuts of $77,000 to the top 1%. One small tax increase for a little man, one giant windfall for a plutocrat.)

Corn also mentions "additional unemployment benefits". Which I also call bullsh*t on. Unemployment benefits were extended by this same Congress on 6 Nov 2009, and on 22 July 2010. So why should we believe that agreeing to an extension of the Bush tax cuts was the ONLY way to get another extension of unemployment benefits? It sure was convenient though that the July extension expired at just about the same time as the Bush tax cuts. Like somebody planned it that way, so they'd have a bone to throw to the masses at the same time they gave another windfall to their donors.

And it appears I was wrong as well. The chart that Corn links to, is one that, first of all, describes the accursed payroll tax cut as a stimulus (which it is - Reagan style http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/160) but also dishonestly hides $57 billion in estate tax cuts http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/138.

Maybe Obama could not win those fights, but I still say he could have at least fought them. Could have at least tried. Don't try to tell me that a horrible deal was really a good one, and do NOT expect me to accept a bad deal now without some sort of fight. Especially when, once again, we hold the trump card. The tax cuts will expire - even if we do nothing.

By which I mean a fight FOR me, not a fight AGAINST me, as Obama began trashing the left after they complained about his surrender in 2010. He wasn't willing to fight the Republicans but he sure was willing to fight the left. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/12/love_obamas_smack_at_the_sanct.html
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the lies of David W, Corn [View all] hfojvt Nov 2012 OP
True, but be ready to be trashed by those who will want you to give him more time, to know that AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #1
This post is anti-Obama gibberish. ProSense Nov 2012 #4
The jets hate President Obama! yortsed snacilbuper Nov 2012 #5
LOL!!! Love your screen-name! It's so FUN to say! patrice Nov 2012 #26
Have you tried reading it backwards yet? Quantess Nov 2012 #37
Yes! & It's TRUE. & Very clever to have noticed how funny it is backwards. patrice Nov 2012 #45
Jet fan appears to be in a bad mood BeyondGeography Nov 2012 #32
someday I may have to admit hfojvt Nov 2012 #93
Nah BeyondGeography Nov 2012 #104
thanks for that hfojvt Nov 2012 #116
Such languge. Rahm, is that you? AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #9
Fuck Rahm, and your response is lame. n/t ProSense Nov 2012 #13
They're letters. & Within limits, too much sturm un drang about them is way more about POWER patrice Nov 2012 #29
Five dimensional checkmate alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #10
Exactly! n/t ProSense Nov 2012 #14
"Checkmate"? Is that equivalent to "Grand Bargain"? Or TPP? We won't have to wait long to find out. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #17
Meh alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #19
checkmate against the majority of Americans hfojvt Nov 2012 #25
You do realize that ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #28
Let 'em. Doremus Nov 2012 #48
I'm glad you're in the position ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #50
gosh. no. I was completely unaware of that hfojvt Nov 2012 #64
Perhaps that has something to do with where you're standing, perspective. Look around you & patrice Nov 2012 #36
so you think hfojvt Nov 2012 #65
How about ignoring the fact that the payroll tax cut idea came from the left? nt geek tragedy Nov 2012 #12
Sorry. I thought that when there are bad ideas, "It's all the Republicans' fault." AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #18
+10000000000000000000 nt LeftyLucy22 Nov 2012 #44
There are those who blame all problems on Obama and give the Republicans NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #96
Only one Senator engaged in an ACTUAL filibuster during the last four years: Bernie Sanders. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #101
Republicans have been filibustering and obstructing by any and all means possible NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #103
Why are you saying that Obama can do no right? Do you need a link to "The List"? AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #106
Obama can do no right in some people's minds. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #107
but in some ways, Republicans SHOULD get a pass hfojvt Nov 2012 #123
No, they should NOT get a pass. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #126
oh bull hfojvt Nov 2012 #127
"Obama has been working his ass off for US" -- you got it, buddy. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #128
but I AM looking at facts hfojvt Nov 2012 #130
If you look at it in reverse, it was an absolutely amazing feet. fasttense Nov 2012 #2
Actually, Obama had to raise taxes on those under 250k to do what you claim is "nothing". JoePhilly Nov 2012 #34
He promised "no new taxes" on those making under 250k? And he kept that promise? Did you notice that AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #49
Bullsh!t Argument Alert ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #56
You can't handle the truth. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #57
Rightwing Talking Points are not ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #79
+1 JoePhilly Nov 2012 #81
The words in the Obama Administration's brief speak for themselves and are not RW talking points. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #97
The truth is that the Obama Administration said that the individual mandate is constitutional AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #99
Okay n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #100
That's the best you can come up with? JoePhilly Nov 2012 #80
several things are wrong with that hfojvt Nov 2012 #82
Let's take those in order. JoePhilly Nov 2012 #84
you, sir, are out of order hfojvt Nov 2012 #88
Again ... in order. JoePhilly Nov 2012 #113
so, according to you, Bush was one of the greatest Democratic Presidents ever. hfojvt Nov 2012 #115
This is a disgusting attack on Corn. ProSense Nov 2012 #3
I thought Corn's piece was a disgusting attack on progressives hfojvt Nov 2012 #20
Prosense ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #30
Corn spoke while on The Cape once. The Doctor. Nov 2012 #6
Yes, it did. N/T 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #31
??????? Why not? Seems pretty clear to me. What don't I get? nt patrice Nov 2012 #39
"The media follows the money" explains a whole lot Quantess Nov 2012 #41
David Corn is always a mixed bag. KoKo Nov 2012 #7
K&R woo me with science Nov 2012 #8
Nouriel Roubini: What America Needs is a Payroll Tax Cut geek tragedy Nov 2012 #11
well, getting "stuff" done hfojvt Nov 2012 #21
You have no idea who Roubini is and think he's a rightwinger? geek tragedy Nov 2012 #22
oh, excuuuuse me hfojvt Nov 2012 #24
That was a real 'tell'. It invalidates whatever wandering point the OP was trying to make. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #98
somebody once said hfojvt Nov 2012 #124
DURec leftstreet Nov 2012 #15
As my father would say...you have to take the bitter with the better. lapislzi Nov 2012 #16
I would say, as a working man hfojvt Nov 2012 #23
I so tire of reading this ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #40
+1google! patrice Nov 2012 #43
Thank You! Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #51
yeah,the funny part is hfojvt Nov 2012 #61
+1! uponit7771 Nov 2012 #74
What a wonderful intellect you have Floyd_Gondolli Nov 2012 #58
Welcome to my ignore list. lapislzi Nov 2012 #108
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #118
Are you trying to be disruptive? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #131
Could you find a way to make your point and be more appealing? Cary Nov 2012 #27
which part is ugly? hfojvt Nov 2012 #59
Gee, I don't know Cary Nov 2012 #78
so it's not ugly to call somebody an a$$hole? hfojvt Nov 2012 #83
Actually I didn't call anyone in particular an asshole Cary Nov 2012 #87
right, sure hfojvt Nov 2012 #89
I've explained it to you. Cary Nov 2012 #91
just because you don't want to explain hfojvt Nov 2012 #94
I don't know you. Cary Nov 2012 #102
some "orginal posts" are just to insanely stupid to respond to..... chillfactor Nov 2012 #33
which part didn't you understand? hfojvt Nov 2012 #60
Insanely stupid is accusing President Obama of embracing Reaganomics. bornskeptic Nov 2012 #77
sometimes I have to wonder hfojvt Nov 2012 #85
What are you doing to help President Obama fight for you? liberalmuse Nov 2012 #35
Why is it beyond the pale to call Corn a liar hfojvt Nov 2012 #67
LOL, the 1st post in the attempt to suppress liberal voting in the 2014 mid term elections. FSogol Nov 2012 #38
They work to defeat themselves & then wonder why we don't trust them. In a word, Fascism, wearing patrice Nov 2012 #42
I hadn't figured on that but now that you mention it... Cary Nov 2012 #53
Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #55
I guess I deserve that hfojvt Nov 2012 #68
interesting read. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #46
Careful, your sour grapes are showing. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #47
it's true hfojvt Nov 2012 #70
You neglect to mention that UE benefits were extended as part of that deal as well. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #86
as I mentioned in my OP hfojvt Nov 2012 #90
I don't think it's possible he could "care less about you than I do". Not even remotely. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #110
The Jets suck Floyd_Gondolli Nov 2012 #52
but when you are a Jet hfojvt Nov 2012 #63
Like Fireman Ed Floyd_Gondolli Nov 2012 #117
Sorry...but I really have to go along with the fact that THE JETS SUCK !!!!! RagAss Nov 2012 #54
the Jets do suck hfojvt Nov 2012 #62
I thought Corn wrote a pretty good article. pnwmom Nov 2012 #66
I think he did worse than most people realize hfojvt Nov 2012 #69
I think it was critical that he get the extension on unemployment benefits. pnwmom Nov 2012 #71
as I mentioned in my OP hfojvt Nov 2012 #72
How do you know the other extensions were passed with no incentive? We've never pnwmom Nov 2012 #73
point taken hfojvt Nov 2012 #75
Those two Maine Senators lined up with us at great cost to them in their party. pnwmom Nov 2012 #114
Yes. This is not 2010. treestar Nov 2012 #122
What is your point? ann--- Nov 2012 #76
pretty simple actually hfojvt Nov 2012 #92
It's a silly point. ProSense Nov 2012 #105
all I know is that I donated and voted for a Democratic President hfojvt Nov 2012 #111
Very logical. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #109
There are times we really need unrec for the same old rehashed BS. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #95
I'm with you there hfojvt Nov 2012 #112
I kinda liked him & did n't know he was FIRED from the Nation... kooljerk666 Nov 2012 #119
Thank you for your concern. Your comments will be carefully considered. JPZenger Nov 2012 #120
many people are surviving in those metro areas hfojvt Nov 2012 #125
You seem to disagree on some fiscal issues treestar Nov 2012 #121
shall i fetch a fresh pamper from the hamper? dionysus Nov 2012 #129
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