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Jedi Guy

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142. Okay, so if Hamas doesn't want a ceasefire, that means there won't be a ceasefire.

Mon Apr 22, 2024, 01:39 PM

Apr 2024

So what Hamas wants does matter to the situation in the region even if it doesn't matter to you. If Israel enacts a ceasefire and Hamas doesn't, that means Hamas will just continue to strike at Israel while the Israelis sit there thinking happy, peaceful thoughts.

Why in the world would Israel do such a (very stupid) thing? Unless and until Hamas genuinely wants a ceasefire, there will be no sustained pause in hostilities, nor should there be.

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People of all backgrounds Tickle Apr 2024 #1

Yes, It's clear that's what the protests are calling for, and I strongly agree. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #2

How are the protests calling for people of all backgrounds feeling safe? betsuni Apr 2024 #3

The protests are calling for a ceasefire... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #4

As you know, Hamas isn't interested in a ceasefire. Terrorists are often like that. betsuni Apr 2024 #6

I don't put any credence into what hamas wants. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #8

I don't understand. They are the Palestinian government, aren't they? betsuni Apr 2024 #9

I agree with you that hamas is a terrorist organization.... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #11

Don't understand this either. betsuni Apr 2024 #12

Yes, it's a complex situation. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #14

Then why the simplistic America Bad as if the U.S. president betsuni Apr 2024 #15

I don't believe I was in on that discussion... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #17

Think. Again. betsuni Apr 2024 #20

? Think. Again. Apr 2024 #23

They think that's clever. I'm with you: The hell with Netanyahu, the hell with Hamas. Who's looking out ... marble falls Apr 2024 #27

"They" betsuni Apr 2024 #52

They. marble falls Apr 2024 #54

She is a Valued member of DU and Cha Apr 2024 #163

.. Cha Apr 2024 #162

Arre 6iu saying we shouldn't believe Hamas when they say they don't want a ceasefire? ShazzieB Apr 2024 #21

I don't pay any attention to hamas wants... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #24

How do you know that the citizens of Gaza want a ceasefire? betsuni Apr 2024 #26

I can't be expecte to take that question seriously. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #34

Why won't Hamas agree to a ceasefire? Why do they want war? betsuni Apr 2024 #37

I don't know and I don't care... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #39

Hamas is the government. betsuni Apr 2024 #40

Luckily... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #42

Hamas isn't the government? How so? betsuni Apr 2024 #45

Magical thinking Mountainguy Apr 2024 #102

Hamas actually is the government. bottomofthehill Apr 2024 #176

How is a protest at Columbia supposed to accomplish that? shrike3 Apr 2024 #60

Okay, so if Hamas doesn't want a ceasefire, that means there won't be a ceasefire. Jedi Guy Apr 2024 #142

But Hamas is one of the parties that has to agree to a ceasefire. ShazzieB Apr 2024 #32

hamas is a terrorist organization. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #35

Okay. But they're also the government. shrike3 Apr 2024 #61

We all know Hamas is a terrorust organization. So what? ShazzieB Apr 2024 #123

Is there an echo in here? ShazzieB Apr 2024 #127

Maybe they should let their government know, then mcar Apr 2024 #189

I hope you're not trying to be humorous about... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #190

Nothing humorous at all about murderous terrorists mcar Apr 2024 #191

Because the citizens of Gaza don't agree with you. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #192

How many Gazans don't recognize Hamas as their government? Happy Hoosier Apr 2024 #46

"'We're not Hamas': Gaza residents say airstrikes are putting civilians in grave danger" Think. Again. Apr 2024 #56

Doesn't answer the question. Happy Hoosier Apr 2024 #62

Yeah, they're not really in a position to take part in a poll right now. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #65

Au contraire mon ami sarisataka Apr 2024 #95

Nope, your poll is out of date... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #105

Interesting as it says sarisataka Apr 2024 #109

But without Hamas' cooperation there can be no ceasefire. shrike3 Apr 2024 #63

Wiping out a terrorist organization... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #67

So, you support wiping out Hamas? How? Boots on the ground? Bombings? shrike3 Apr 2024 #68

I absolutely support wiping out hamas... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #73

Hoo-boy. Good luck with that. shrike3 Apr 2024 #74

You're probably right... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #78

I strongly suspect Americans won't want it that way. shrike3 Apr 2024 #82

I disagree... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #93

You mean average people who are barely paying attention to the election in their own country? shrike3 Apr 2024 #101

I mean the same Americans you suggested would be against taking out hamas. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #108

Fine. Would open up a whole world of problems, but that's my thinking. shrike3 Apr 2024 #133

I am all for America taking Hamas out. Eko Apr 2024 #161

How? Boots on the ground? Bombing? shrike3 Apr 2024 #166

Boots on the ground primarily. Eko Apr 2024 #167

Oh, that has gone so well the other times we tried it. shrike3 Apr 2024 #168

Do you think we would do worse than what is happening now? Eko Apr 2024 #169

Yeah, I think we could. Afghanistan comes to mind. shrike3 Apr 2024 #170

Maybe so, Eko Apr 2024 #171

How do you know we wouldn't be shelling civilians? shrike3 Apr 2024 #180

Because you asked me how we would do it. Eko Apr 2024 #181

Because it was told in confidence to me by a family member. Who won a Bronze star and other commendations shrike3 Apr 2024 #183

Maybe you should take a step back and take a breath. Eko Apr 2024 #193

I don't need to take a breath. shrike3 Apr 2024 #194

I'm sorry. Eko Apr 2024 #195

Israel Always Blue Apr 2024 #48

Then I'm sure this protest will be very effective eShirl Apr 2024 #10

Yeah, no. A ceasefire means Hamas goes back to terrorist strikes. yardwork Apr 2024 #124

I fear you're right. shrike3 Apr 2024 #184

I was just about to ask the same thing! ShazzieB Apr 2024 #5

See my reply (#4) above your question (#5). Think. Again. Apr 2024 #7

Just keep walking AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2024 #130

what do you think yelling "go back to Poland" to American Jews means? MistakenLamb Apr 2024 #16

You would have to ask the individuals yelling that... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #19

Ask them what? ShazzieB Apr 2024 #22

MistakenLamb asked me a question, I was answering them. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #25

I see that now. ShazzieB Apr 2024 #38

"individuals"? betsuni Apr 2024 #28

Yes... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #30

I dont think any of us can possibly know exactly what the original purpose of the protests was. ShazzieB Apr 2024 #43

It was clearly a protest to demand a ceasefire. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #55

But in an earlier post, you said that Hamas needed to be eradicated. wnylib Apr 2024 #92

hamas is a terrorist organization... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #100

That isn't clear at all, given the behavior of people at the thing. yardwork Apr 2024 #152

Or condemn them. marble falls Apr 2024 #76

Don't put words in my mouth, please. ShazzieB Apr 2024 #128

How do you know? Did you organize it? yardwork Apr 2024 #151

Do you apply the same rules to neo nazis forthemiddle Apr 2024 #155

Correct... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #164

Share a clip of any of the "real" demonstrators challenging the pro-Hamas, anti-Jewish statements. brooklynite Apr 2024 #51

The protest was a call for a ceasefire. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #57

And if intruders attempt to hijack the goals for the demonstration... brooklynite Apr 2024 #85

yet no one on their side tries to stop them MistakenLamb Apr 2024 #137

I wasn't there, so I don't know that. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #139

Harrassing Jews on the streets of the MotownPgh Apr 2024 #41

You should speak to a person of color sometime.... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #59

So it's cool Jews are harassed on the street, since people of color are also? shrike3 Apr 2024 #64

Stop, that's a false equivalence and you know it. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #70

No, it's not. You're the one who brought up people of color, not me. shrike3 Apr 2024 #71

It is clearly a false equivalence and I won't continue with your bad-faith discussion. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #75

I'm crushed. shrike3 Apr 2024 #77

You falsely equated all of that with somehow being "okay". Think. Again. Apr 2024 #81

What else am I supposed to think? shrike3 Apr 2024 #84

You pretended to be surprised that Americans... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #94

Guess you're not done, eh? shrike3 Apr 2024 #96

I see, you interjected yourself into a discussion I was engaged in with.... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #107

This is a message board. ShazzieB Apr 2024 #131

Thank you. n/t shrike3 Apr 2024 #141

TY for Explaining that so Well, Shazzie.B Cha Apr 2024 #165

Okey-doke. Carry on. shrike3 Apr 2024 #132

You got confused. That's twice at least in this thread alone? Maru Kitteh Apr 2024 #172

Yes... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #177

So you're admitting that the Columbia mcar Apr 2024 #115

Please don't put words in my mouth... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #138

Lots of ProPalestine protesters are Jewish womanofthehills Apr 2024 #153

Person of color MotownPgh Apr 2024 #118

Auschwitz is in Poland. /nt yardwork Apr 2024 #125

Indeed. It's quite clear what they're calling for at Columbia. lapucelle Apr 2024 #173

They need to put up signs sarisataka Apr 2024 #174

... lapucelle Apr 2024 #175

Protests will end soon PennRalphie Apr 2024 #13

Biden's solution is the most likely. jaxexpat Apr 2024 #18

Losing Always Blue Apr 2024 #49

I know about the Christian Palestinian factor. Have met and entertained a family. jaxexpat Apr 2024 #79

Quit giving money Always Blue Apr 2024 #50

" By the way a good number of Palestinians are Christians and not Muslims" EX500rider Apr 2024 #154

Many of the protesters aren't students. haele Apr 2024 #69

You make some good points. shrike3 Apr 2024 #80

That was the excuse Always Blue Apr 2024 #143

A bad excuse for something that still should not have happened. haele Apr 2024 #156

These outside protesters were camping in front of a gate, that police needed to protect. LeftInTX Apr 2024 #157

This hurts their cause Sugarcoated Apr 2024 #182

The way to end the protests is to end the killing in Gaza. Ping Tung Apr 2024 #89

How? The conflict is centuries old. shrike3 Apr 2024 #98

What they're doing now is just piling up bodies and starving people. Ping Tung Apr 2024 #106

I have no objections to that, If enough taxpayers don't like how their dollars are spent, the government shrike3 Apr 2024 #186

And there's the rub dwayneb Apr 2024 #185

I'm with you. This will not end well. shrike3 Apr 2024 #187

Go back to the peace sarisataka Apr 2024 #110

Keep killing on April 22? Ping Tung Apr 2024 #114

Hamas can accept a ceasefire sarisataka Apr 2024 #116

Of course it's only Israel that must stop. EllieBC Apr 2024 #121

If what they are demanding Always Blue Apr 2024 #144

Would it be too much to ask sarisataka Apr 2024 #149

Oh to be young again and in '68 ... marble falls Apr 2024 #29

When I was in college PennRalphie Apr 2024 #31

I'm with Johnny ... marble falls Apr 2024 #36

All those protesting for good causes Polybius Apr 2024 #72

HHH was the wrong candidate. He was tied too closely to LBJ in voters's eyes. marble falls Apr 2024 #83

So Nixon was better? Got it! LeftInTX Apr 2024 #160

Didn't say Nixon was better, just said the "Happy Warrior" was the wrong candidate in '68 ... marble falls Apr 2024 #178

And what happened with McGovern? LeftInTX Apr 2024 #188

Other than he lost? I do not know. Watergate had broken and Nixon still ran the table. I was all in on McGovern ... marble falls Apr 2024 #196

Yep! LeftInTX Apr 2024 #158

Ooohhhh yes SARose Apr 2024 #86

As long as they stay peaceful. shrike3 Apr 2024 #99

Absolutely SARose Apr 2024 #140

1968 worked out so well! Celerity Apr 2024 #90

HHH was the wrong guy to run against him. The feeling was new broom time, and HHH was seen as more of the same. marble falls Apr 2024 #179

It was the best of times and worst of times. Ping Tung Apr 2024 #91

They are letting Jewish students be terrorized mcar Apr 2024 #33

All we got from 1968 was a longer war and Richard Nixon. tirebiter Apr 2024 #44

Don't point out facts to the folks nostalgic for that time. Happy Hoosier Apr 2024 #47

Nostalgia might be the best drug. EllieBC Apr 2024 #88

Agreed. Some folks need to close the yearbook and get into the present. BannonsLiver Apr 2024 #135

Sad to say, you're right, Unintended consequences. shrike3 Apr 2024 #66

How narrow-minded of you. Xoan Apr 2024 #145

These people are going to blow up the Democratic convention like in 1968. nt doc03 Apr 2024 #53

They will try to, but might not succeed. wnylib Apr 2024 #97

Omg these people are absolute fucking cringe. Oneironaut Apr 2024 #58

Point To Gaza On a Map Deep State Witch Apr 2024 #150

Congress shall make no law Ping Tung Apr 2024 #87

Nothing in the first amendment Mountainguy Apr 2024 #103

What part of "no law" did you miss. Ping Tung Apr 2024 #111

Just say you're fine with them EllieBC Apr 2024 #112

I'm not "fine" with any kind of violence. And that goes for what's going on in Gaza. Ping Tung Apr 2024 #119

Of course you have a plan as to EllieBC Apr 2024 #120

Plan to stop violence? Don't participte. Ping Tung Apr 2024 #126

Good luck making that happen. shrike3 Apr 2024 #134

"no law" sarisataka Apr 2024 #113

In the '30s my father was in the ILWU and participting in strikes on the "private" docks. Ping Tung Apr 2024 #122

What part of Mountainguy Apr 2024 #136

But intimidating people of one faith or ethnicity wnylib Apr 2024 #104

It's a private school mcar Apr 2024 #117

When did Congress get involved? Ace Rothstein Apr 2024 #129

None of which applies to private entities Zeitghost Apr 2024 #159

Post removed Post removed Apr 2024 #146

Open mindedness includes sarisataka Apr 2024 #148

It costs almost $90,000 a year including tuition, housing, etc. for a student to attend this Vinca Apr 2024 #147