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In reply to the discussion: I support the national student protests over Palestine. [View all]Goddessartist
(2,176 posts)145. I refer you to this post,
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18887173
Nanjeanne's post, where she quoted this interview. I agree with her. There will be outsiders doing this to rile up folks. So, your point has no merit. I also wonder why you seem to despise the Palestinians and anyone who stands up for them.
Nanjeanne's post, where she quoted this interview. I agree with her. There will be outsiders doing this to rile up folks. So, your point has no merit. I also wonder why you seem to despise the Palestinians and anyone who stands up for them.
Read full interview https://slate.com/human-interest/2024/04/columbia-university-protests-presidents-jewish-students-encampment.html]
It seems everyone is concerned that things will be getting worse. This weekend, Jake Tapper pointed to calls from an orthodox rabbi for Jewish students to stay home for their own safety. How does that square with what youre seeing on campus?
Klein: I think thats honestly ridiculous. I havent seen any threats or fear among the Jewish students at the university. I dont know why there would be fear. On campus theres really no reason why any student would be more scared now than they theoretically would have been in the past. And even then, I dont really see any reason for fear. I guess the only potential justification that would make sense to me would be the number of outside protesters. Just that, as in any case, you dont know whos going to show up to a large demonstration. Theres always going to be bad faith actors of any kind of kind of mass rally. I think Columbias inability to vet these people I guess theoretically could be a cause for concern. But there havent been any incidents.
Roedl: The director of the Kraft Center for Jewish Life, Brian Cohen, issued a letter saying he didnt believe Jewish students should leave Columbia, and that the university and the city need to do more to ensure the safety of the students. So I think
Klein: Wait. We just got an email from Columbias chief operating officer. Are you joking?
What does it say?
Klein: It says, increasing patrol strength to reach a total of 35 additional guards and two additional supervisors per shift, a total of 111 additional safety personnelthis will more than double the current safety personnel per shift. Additional coverage of the Kraft Center during the Passover holiday. Which I think is simply beyond the pale. Increased coverage during Passover? Please
Why does it strike you as unserious?
Klein: Because its very alarmist. Theyve done this before regarding the Kraft Center. And the truth is that its never been under siege. There are no protesters in that area right now. Ive never seen protesters specifically go by the Kraft Center. I think its ridiculous because it implies a level of danger that simply is not there. Honestly, I think this announcement is potentially more distressing to Jewish students than anything else actually happening on campus. Because if you hear the security for the Jewish center is being increased during Passover, the implication is this center could potentially be targeted.
Gift link NYTimes https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/22/us/campus-protest-seders.html?unlocked_article_code=1.mk0.mtyL.2HCuEjRukA20&smid=url-share]
A Night Different From Others as Campus Protests Break for Seder
Pro-Palestinian protesters, many of whom are Jewish, prepared Seder dinners at college protest encampments, even as other Jewish students sought community in more traditional settings.
As evening fell over Columbias tent encampment on Monday, about 100 students and faculty gathered in a circle around a blue tarp heaped with boxes of matzo and food they had prepared in a kosher kitchen. Some students wore kaffiyehs, the traditional Palestinian scarf, while others wore Jewish skullcaps. They distributed handmade Haggadahs prayer books for the Passover holiday and read prayers in Hebrew, keeping to the traditional order.
But there were also changes and additions, like a watermelon on the Seder plate to represent the flag of Palestine. There were repeated references to the suffering of the Palestinian people and the need to ensure their liberation. There was grape juice instead of wine to respect the alcohol-free encampment, which was started last Wednesday and, despite a police crackdown last week, was stretching into its sixth day.
As a Jew I condemn antisemitism. I condemn Islamophobia. I support peaceful protest. I support a ceasefire. I support freedom for Palestinians. If you attack Jewish people for being Jewish you are an antisemite. If you condemn Israel's war on Gaza you are not an antisemite. All things can be true at the same time.
It seems everyone is concerned that things will be getting worse. This weekend, Jake Tapper pointed to calls from an orthodox rabbi for Jewish students to stay home for their own safety. How does that square with what youre seeing on campus?
Klein: I think thats honestly ridiculous. I havent seen any threats or fear among the Jewish students at the university. I dont know why there would be fear. On campus theres really no reason why any student would be more scared now than they theoretically would have been in the past. And even then, I dont really see any reason for fear. I guess the only potential justification that would make sense to me would be the number of outside protesters. Just that, as in any case, you dont know whos going to show up to a large demonstration. Theres always going to be bad faith actors of any kind of kind of mass rally. I think Columbias inability to vet these people I guess theoretically could be a cause for concern. But there havent been any incidents.
Roedl: The director of the Kraft Center for Jewish Life, Brian Cohen, issued a letter saying he didnt believe Jewish students should leave Columbia, and that the university and the city need to do more to ensure the safety of the students. So I think
Klein: Wait. We just got an email from Columbias chief operating officer. Are you joking?
What does it say?
Klein: It says, increasing patrol strength to reach a total of 35 additional guards and two additional supervisors per shift, a total of 111 additional safety personnelthis will more than double the current safety personnel per shift. Additional coverage of the Kraft Center during the Passover holiday. Which I think is simply beyond the pale. Increased coverage during Passover? Please
Why does it strike you as unserious?
Klein: Because its very alarmist. Theyve done this before regarding the Kraft Center. And the truth is that its never been under siege. There are no protesters in that area right now. Ive never seen protesters specifically go by the Kraft Center. I think its ridiculous because it implies a level of danger that simply is not there. Honestly, I think this announcement is potentially more distressing to Jewish students than anything else actually happening on campus. Because if you hear the security for the Jewish center is being increased during Passover, the implication is this center could potentially be targeted.
Gift link NYTimes https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/22/us/campus-protest-seders.html?unlocked_article_code=1.mk0.mtyL.2HCuEjRukA20&smid=url-share]
A Night Different From Others as Campus Protests Break for Seder
Pro-Palestinian protesters, many of whom are Jewish, prepared Seder dinners at college protest encampments, even as other Jewish students sought community in more traditional settings.
As evening fell over Columbias tent encampment on Monday, about 100 students and faculty gathered in a circle around a blue tarp heaped with boxes of matzo and food they had prepared in a kosher kitchen. Some students wore kaffiyehs, the traditional Palestinian scarf, while others wore Jewish skullcaps. They distributed handmade Haggadahs prayer books for the Passover holiday and read prayers in Hebrew, keeping to the traditional order.
But there were also changes and additions, like a watermelon on the Seder plate to represent the flag of Palestine. There were repeated references to the suffering of the Palestinian people and the need to ensure their liberation. There was grape juice instead of wine to respect the alcohol-free encampment, which was started last Wednesday and, despite a police crackdown last week, was stretching into its sixth day.
As a Jew I condemn antisemitism. I condemn Islamophobia. I support peaceful protest. I support a ceasefire. I support freedom for Palestinians. If you attack Jewish people for being Jewish you are an antisemite. If you condemn Israel's war on Gaza you are not an antisemite. All things can be true at the same time.
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I support student protests over Palestine. I support Jewish students' counter protesting, also ...
marble falls
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#1
Genocide, starvation and over 13000 dead children will motivate people against the
Autumn
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#10
Hate and centuries old grudges are a two way road . Americans have every right to peacefully protest.
Autumn
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News hits quick. If you see your family & friends being bombed or under threat from
Autumn
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#40
You know what else sucks? Genocide and war crimes . Nothing fucking excuses that.
Autumn
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#50
No I'm not a 3rd grader. Just stated a fact. I don't assume anything I responded
Autumn
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#155
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TeamProg
Apr 2024
#71
Yes. I'm sure there are Hamas supporters. As well as Muslim haters. Jew haters. Trans haters. And on and on.
Nanjeanne
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#86
No. There was great sympathy for Israel and horror over the terrorist attack. The post was what i
Nanjeanne
Apr 2024
#92
Kind of figured after honestly trying to have dialogue you would reply with something i don't have a clue
Nanjeanne
Apr 2024
#95
I see many trying to do to legit, non hateful support for Palestinians and against the disproportionate Israeli response
Celerity
Apr 2024
#55
Little to nothing at all. That's my answer. Jewish Americans are trying to live their lives, like the rest of us.
shrike3
Apr 2024
#43
Du wasn't around during the hostage crisis, or so I thought. But I don't know everything.
shrike3
Apr 2024
#96
The Hamas propaganda machine is tiny and lacking in influence compared to the Israeli propaganda machine.
PufPuf23
Apr 2024
#91
There are many articles by students and teachers about the peaceful protest. Below are a few
Nanjeanne
Apr 2024
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There aren't any social media videos denouncing the ethnic cleansing of the Ughurs?
shrike3
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#39
Are you really comparing a social media video with an active demonstration?
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
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#100
Well, I am simply referring to comments by others that social media videos have sparked awareness of the
shrike3
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#102
I am against genocide, and I have spoken against Israeli actions and Netanyahu repeatedly.
sarisataka
Apr 2024
#28
"Protest the War but do not advocate for violence against our Jewish brothers and sisters"
Cha
Apr 2024
#124
Islamophobia is on rise. So the cure is anarchists and "death to America" chants? What's wrong with this dichotomy?
LeftInTX
Apr 2024
#77
So do I. It's sad that there even needs to protests against war and killing again.
Ping Tung
Apr 2024
#48
Oh? Are they protesting Hamas killing, raping, kidnapping and desecrating human bodies in their name?
marybourg
Apr 2024
#72
That wouldn't end the war and that's the point of the demonstrations. Demonstrate where it matters.
Vinca
Apr 2024
#107
Right, any protest that is not immediately successful in achieving its goals is a failure.
Voltaire2
Apr 2024
#120
Well, at this point, I'm out of sympathy for the protesters. You work for a solution, you don't become
Vinca
Apr 2024
#140
"Protest the War but do not advocate for violence against our Jewish brothers and sisters."
emulatorloo
Apr 2024
#104