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Nanjeanne

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66. Ok let's talk about what you think about these facts. If you want to discuss semantics over occupied
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 06:47 PM
Apr 2024

that’s fine. You give me the correct word. But let’s talk about life in Gaza.

Israel contends that its role as occupying power in the Gaza Strip ended in September 2005, when it dismantled all settlements there, withdrew its military forces and declared the end of the military government. OK.

Though Israel is clearly no longer responsible for keeping the peace inside Gaza, and is not generally obliged to see to the welfare of its residents under the laws of occupation, it is still the power that shapes the daily lives of Gaza residents, and as such, also bears responsibility towards them.

Israel declared an end to its military administration in Gaza, it continues to control critical aspects of life there. all border crossings by land, apart from Rafah, as well as Gaza’s sea and air space. This control allows Israel to exclusively monitor the movement of people and goods in and out of Gaza, which it regulates according to Israeli interests. This holds true even when Gaza residents wish only to transit through Israel in order to reach the West Bank or other countries. Even Rafah Crossing on the Egypt border Rafah Crossing, which is subject to Egyptian control and opened only infrequently may be used only by individuals who meet strict Israeli criteria that changeds every so often.

The Blockade began in the 1990s, with the imposition of a closure on all the Occupied Territories and the introduction of the requirement for every Palestinian from these territories – with the exception of areas annexed to Israel – to request a personal permit to enter Israel, even if only for the purpose of travel between the West Bank and the Gaza Strip or abroad. Over the years, Israel has made it increasingly difficult to obtain these permits. Is this occupation? Control? It certainly isn’t having rights.

The 2nd Intifa caused tighter restrictions and separated the Gaza Strip from the West Bank almost completely. Travel abroad for Gazans is almost impossible. Even entering Israel. And Israel also controls import and export of goods. In 2010 there was an international pressure placed so Israel loosened some of the goods restrictions but its still quite strict.

Air and sea - The Oslo Accords stipulate a range of 20 nautical miles (about 37 km) off the Gaza shoreline, but Israel has never allowed fishing farther than 12 nautical miles out to sea. Over the years, Israel has gradually narrowed the fishing zone, sometimes to three nautical miles only, and currently between six and nine. The Israeli military also restricts fishing in areas bordering Israel and Egypt.

Electricity is supplied only a few hours a day. This is partly because of a fuel shortage caused by high costs, and partly because of restrictions Israel imposes on the entry of spare parts to maintain existing systems including parts needed to repair the facility Israel bombed in 2006.

No status - In the Oslo Accords, the power to administer the population registry of the West Bank and Gaza Strip was handed over to the Palestinian Authority (PA). The Oslo Accords stipulated that the PA would maintain and manage the registry and that it would have authority to issue ID cards and visitor permits as well as to register children under 16 born abroad, provided one of their parents was registered as a resident of the Occupied Territories. However, it was also stipulated that the Palestinians must notify Israel of every change they make to the Population Registry and must receive Israeli approval to grant residency to spouses and children of Palestinian residents through the family reunification procedure. Israeli approval was also required for issuing visitor permits for the Occupied Territories. In 2000, Israel discontinued updating its copy of the Population Registry and no longer recognizes the changes made by the PA ever since. Israel currently allows the PA to register only births and deaths and to replace worn documents. As a result, neither the PA nor the Hamas government can issue ID cards to stateless residents nor approve applications for family reunification.

Today 40,000 to 50,000 Palestinians reside in the Gaza Strip without status.

There’s lots of info out there you can start with Brittanica or B’Tselem.

Whether you believe my “story” or not is really insulting but not of any major concern to me.

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K&R. Was just going to post this. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2024 #1
I saw an interview with one of the student organizers Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2024 #2
We have to be careful about the videos online ExciteBike66 Apr 2024 #3
That was the indication this woman gave, Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2024 #36
They'd better be more vocal about that. Or separate themselves from agitators as much as they can. shrike3 Apr 2024 #6
Waiting for the DUers who will bemoan this as antisemitism, intheflow Apr 2024 #4
Most of us can differentiate between antisemitism and protesting the actions of a sovereign country. shrike3 Apr 2024 #7
Back in the day? intheflow Apr 2024 #8
I was locked out during the Great Hack of 2016. Read for a few years, then rejoined in 2020. shrike3 Apr 2024 #9
"How is "Go Back to Poland" not antisemitic?" -- this is an outside group, and not on campus obamanut2012 Apr 2024 #11
The fact that it's coming from people who don't go to the university doesn't make it okay. shrike3 Apr 2024 #19
We are outraged about it... ExciteBike66 Apr 2024 #37
Haven't seen much outrage here. Good to know it does exist, though. shrike3 Apr 2024 #38
I would bet money on the notion that everyone on this website thinks that statement is anti Semitic ExciteBike66 Apr 2024 #41
How about the fact that it's being said? Doesn't matter who said it. shrike3 Apr 2024 #42
If we were required to denounce every anti Semitic statement in the world ExciteBike66 Apr 2024 #43
Nazis in Florida not being called out is a defense for folks not calling out "Go Back to Poland?" shrike3 Apr 2024 #75
Lots of genocide in the world. Guess there are those who are picking and choosing, too. shrike3 Apr 2024 #77
Of course it is wrong to yell hateful anti-Semitic things at anyone. GumboYaYa Apr 2024 #56
One can kind of get upset about both? I can imagine more than a few folks are? shrike3 Apr 2024 #76
So the fact that protestors are being smeared is more important than antisemitic chants. shrike3 Apr 2024 #78
Ah, I voluntarily stepped down in 2016, so sorry that happened to you. intheflow Apr 2024 #22
Okay, that's fair. As I've said in other posts, one can differentiate. Between the actions of a sovereign nation and shrike3 Apr 2024 #26
So what if he/she joined up in 2020? MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2024 #10
I was locked out during the Great Hack of 2016. shrike3 Apr 2024 #20
I'm just going to note that intheflow Apr 2024 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2024 #94
Look, if you're gonna refer to specific posts, intheflow Apr 2024 #97
What "2016 bannings"? Didn't happen. betsuni Apr 2024 #95
Yes it did. intheflow Apr 2024 #96
The usual way, though. There wasn't any blanket banning. People who refused to agree to the betsuni Apr 2024 #98
From what I've seen, a lot can't differentiate Doc Sportello Apr 2024 #15
I hear this a lot when antisemites meet with criticism of real antisemitism. Beastly Boy Apr 2024 #33
I will give your reply the answer it deserves Doc Sportello Apr 2024 #47
How can you possibly expect people to judge you fairly when you refuse to define Beastly Boy Apr 2024 #63
It goes the other way, too. Criticizing antisemitism is dismissed because, well, you know. shrike3 Apr 2024 #40
If one is going to make a charge of something as terrible as antisemitism Doc Sportello Apr 2024 #54
Where did I charge anyone with antisemitism? shrike3 Apr 2024 #74
Believable if one is credulous Sympthsical Apr 2024 #13
The organizer said they're not anti-Semitic. Case closed, I guess, nothing to see here, move along. Jedi Guy Apr 2024 #28
The curtain drops, a gang of Gen X cops assembles... Prairie Gates Apr 2024 #5
Payback time Polybius Apr 2024 #18
The president of Columbia University disagrees with these assessments. Beastly Boy Apr 2024 #12
In The Current RobinA Apr 2024 #14
That would include the instances highlighted in the OP, right? Beastly Boy Apr 2024 #23
Not according to her own students quoted here Doc Sportello Apr 2024 #16
According to her own students, does she not disagree with their assessments, or Beastly Boy Apr 2024 #21
Oh please Doc Sportello Apr 2024 #25
Are you saying that being a student at a college encampment makes you more informed and objective than Beastly Boy Apr 2024 #31
You can't even reply to what I wrote Doc Sportello Apr 2024 #45
Oh I am replying to what you wrote allright. Beastly Boy Apr 2024 #61
The President of the United States disagrees with these assessments Coventina Apr 2024 #17
What is your point? intheflow Apr 2024 #24
My point is that I feel Biden is more trustworthy than randos on Slate. n/t Coventina Apr 2024 #34
The President of Colombia University - and any University - is beholden to money coming in. haele Apr 2024 #91
I recently replied to a remarkably similar argument in this thread (post 61) Beastly Boy Apr 2024 #92
It is all well and good that these people see everything as all kumbaya. sarisataka Apr 2024 #27
Blanket statements are not well and good Doc Sportello Apr 2024 #29
So as long as at least one Jewish student. sarisataka Apr 2024 #32
Never said that of course Doc Sportello Apr 2024 #48
So all it takes is ONE student saying they feel safe sarisataka Apr 2024 #50
So no factual or reasoned response? Doc Sportello Apr 2024 #52
No reply to my question says more sarisataka Apr 2024 #53
Be glad to Doc Sportello Apr 2024 #55
No problem sarisataka Apr 2024 #58
Perhaps you are having dinner sarisataka Apr 2024 #60
Patiently waiting sarisataka Apr 2024 #87
Still waiting sarisataka Apr 2024 #88
I am beginning to doubt your sincereity sarisataka Apr 2024 #89
I guess you really aren't "glad to" do the courtesy sarisataka Apr 2024 #93
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Apr 2024 #82
Well, this is going on. Patton French Apr 2024 #30
"What's REALLY going on in the Warsaw ghetto?" BannonsLiver Apr 2024 #35
Is that supposed to be an analogy? Doc Sportello Apr 2024 #49
Is that supposed to be some kind of cogent response? BannonsLiver Apr 2024 #81
Some are delighted with this story... Mike Nelson Apr 2024 #39
What's going on is a whole lot of students who pay about $90,000 a year for the privilege, are Vinca Apr 2024 #44
I Am a Jewish Student at Columbia. Don't Believe What You're Being Told About 'Campus Antisemitism' Nanjeanne Apr 2024 #46
Thank you Doc Sportello Apr 2024 #51
You wouldn't think being against innocent people being murdered whether Israeli or Palestinian would Nanjeanne Apr 2024 #57
What did the people of Palestine marybourg Apr 2024 #59
The people of Palestine? What are you talking about? I can't respond to until I have a clue what you Nanjeanne Apr 2024 #62
Why do you keep saying Gaza is occupied? former9thward Apr 2024 #64
Ok let's talk about what you think about these facts. If you want to discuss semantics over occupied Nanjeanne Apr 2024 #66
Egypt controls the Rafah crossing. former9thward Apr 2024 #72
I actually mentioned Rafah Crossing and how the border works and who has permission to,use it and how Nanjeanne Apr 2024 #80
I will be back in Israel to many of the same places next month. former9thward Apr 2024 #84
Have a good trip. Stay safe. Thanks for telling me so much about myself. Most laughs I've had on DU in long time Nanjeanne Apr 2024 #86
Just a couple of points that seem respondable to: marybourg Apr 2024 #65
Your questions are rather insulting but I'll respond. My uncle and aunt worked with Vivian Silver's Nanjeanne Apr 2024 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Apr 2024 #83
It is, apparently, a great Columbia U. tradition vanamonde Apr 2024 #67
Another opinion that arrived in my inbox today Mossfern Apr 2024 #69
I'd love to read the article. Can you post a link without having to subscribe? Thanks. Nanjeanne Apr 2024 #70
I'll try, Mossfern Apr 2024 #73
"There are zionists in our camp" Mountainguy Apr 2024 #71
Never thought I'd put so many people on ignore in one night. shrike3 Apr 2024 #79
I'm close to that as well... Happy Hoosier Apr 2024 #99
I don't know if it was planned, but certain factions sure must like it. shrike3 Apr 2024 #100
I'm not suggesting a grand conspiracy.... Happy Hoosier Apr 2024 #101
I don't believe in grand conspiracies. shrike3 Apr 2024 #102
Somehow all these awful (non-student) people keep getting on campus. Ace Rothstein Apr 2024 #85
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