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In reply to the discussion: What Is Really Going On at Columbia University? [View all]Mossfern
(4,596 posts)69. Another opinion that arrived in my inbox today
Last edited Tue Apr 23, 2024, 09:54 PM - Edit history (1)
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/04/columbia-university-protests-palestine/678159/?utm_campaign=atlantic-daily-newsletter&utm_content=20240423&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=The+Atlantic+DailyThe Unreality of Columbias Liberated Zone
What happens when genuine sympathy for civilian suffering mixes with a fervor that borders on the oppressive?
By Michael Powell
What happens when genuine sympathy for civilian suffering mixes with a fervor that borders on the oppressive?
By Michael Powell
During my nine-hour visit, talking with student protesters proved tricky. Upon entering the zone, I was instructed to listen as a gatekeeper read community guidelines that included not talking with people not authorized to be insidea category that seemed to include anyone of differing opinions. I then stood in a press zone and waited for Layla Saliba, a social-work graduate student who served as a spokesperson for the protest. A Palestinian American, she said she has lost family in the fighting in Gaza. She talked at length and with nuance. Hers, however, was a near-singular voice. As I toured the liberated zone, I found most protesters distinctly nonliberated when it came to talking with a reporter.
Earlier in the day, I interviewed a Jewish student on a set of steps overlooking the tent city. Rachel, who asked that I not include a surname for fear of harassment, recalled that in the days after October 7 an email went out from a lesbian organization, LionLez, stating that Zionists were not allowed at a group event. A subsequent email from the clubs president noted: White Jewish people are today and always have been the oppressors of all brown people, and when I say the Holocaust wasnt special, I mean that. The only outward manifestation of Rachels sympathies was a pocket-size Israeli flag in a dorm room. Another student, Sophie Arnstein, told me that after she said in class that Jewish lives matter, others complained that her Zionist beliefs were hostile. She ended up dropping the course.
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They'd better be more vocal about that. Or separate themselves from agitators as much as they can.
shrike3
Apr 2024
#6
Most of us can differentiate between antisemitism and protesting the actions of a sovereign country.
shrike3
Apr 2024
#7
I was locked out during the Great Hack of 2016. Read for a few years, then rejoined in 2020.
shrike3
Apr 2024
#9
"How is "Go Back to Poland" not antisemitic?" -- this is an outside group, and not on campus
obamanut2012
Apr 2024
#11
The fact that it's coming from people who don't go to the university doesn't make it okay.
shrike3
Apr 2024
#19
I would bet money on the notion that everyone on this website thinks that statement is anti Semitic
ExciteBike66
Apr 2024
#41
Nazis in Florida not being called out is a defense for folks not calling out "Go Back to Poland?"
shrike3
Apr 2024
#75
Lots of genocide in the world. Guess there are those who are picking and choosing, too.
shrike3
Apr 2024
#77
So the fact that protestors are being smeared is more important than antisemitic chants.
shrike3
Apr 2024
#78
Okay, that's fair. As I've said in other posts, one can differentiate. Between the actions of a sovereign nation and
shrike3
Apr 2024
#26
The usual way, though. There wasn't any blanket banning. People who refused to agree to the
betsuni
Apr 2024
#98
I hear this a lot when antisemites meet with criticism of real antisemitism.
Beastly Boy
Apr 2024
#33
How can you possibly expect people to judge you fairly when you refuse to define
Beastly Boy
Apr 2024
#63
It goes the other way, too. Criticizing antisemitism is dismissed because, well, you know.
shrike3
Apr 2024
#40
If one is going to make a charge of something as terrible as antisemitism
Doc Sportello
Apr 2024
#54
The organizer said they're not anti-Semitic. Case closed, I guess, nothing to see here, move along.
Jedi Guy
Apr 2024
#28
According to her own students, does she not disagree with their assessments, or
Beastly Boy
Apr 2024
#21
Are you saying that being a student at a college encampment makes you more informed and objective than
Beastly Boy
Apr 2024
#31
The President of Colombia University - and any University - is beholden to money coming in.
haele
Apr 2024
#91
I recently replied to a remarkably similar argument in this thread (post 61)
Beastly Boy
Apr 2024
#92
What's going on is a whole lot of students who pay about $90,000 a year for the privilege, are
Vinca
Apr 2024
#44
I Am a Jewish Student at Columbia. Don't Believe What You're Being Told About 'Campus Antisemitism'
Nanjeanne
Apr 2024
#46
You wouldn't think being against innocent people being murdered whether Israeli or Palestinian would
Nanjeanne
Apr 2024
#57
The people of Palestine? What are you talking about? I can't respond to until I have a clue what you
Nanjeanne
Apr 2024
#62
Ok let's talk about what you think about these facts. If you want to discuss semantics over occupied
Nanjeanne
Apr 2024
#66
I actually mentioned Rafah Crossing and how the border works and who has permission to,use it and how
Nanjeanne
Apr 2024
#80
Have a good trip. Stay safe. Thanks for telling me so much about myself. Most laughs I've had on DU in long time
Nanjeanne
Apr 2024
#86
Your questions are rather insulting but I'll respond. My uncle and aunt worked with Vivian Silver's
Nanjeanne
Apr 2024
#68
I'd love to read the article. Can you post a link without having to subscribe? Thanks.
Nanjeanne
Apr 2024
#70