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MadHound

(34,179 posts)
17. So, how much is Mark paying you for this?
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:59 PM
Nov 2012

Let me go down your points one by one.

1. "globally and near-instantaneously share experiences by text, photo, audio, or video." That is true. It has also been true about email, telephone, and other communication devices for a long time, since long before Zuckerberg was a gleam in his daddy's eye. To claim that FB made a great breakthrough in this realm is laughable on the face of it.

2. What FB does goes way beyond marketing, it is invasive datamining at its most cutting edge. Not only does FB glean data from your profile and posts, it follows you around the 'net to glean that data. Yes, many other sites do the same, but FB has taken it to a new level, what with picture tagging, face recognition, and a whole host of other tools the better to track you with. You compare this with public conversations in bars and clubs, but unlike FB, in a bar or club, if somebody is leaning over to eavesdrop, I have the option of politely telling them to fuck off and mind their own business(and if that doesn't work, take even stronger options). With FB, I don't have that option. Oh, one other thing, conversations are generally considered private, no matter where they are at, unless both participants agree to make it public. Again, with FB, there isn't that option.

3. I generally agree with what you said, however two caveats. First, FB enables the dispensation of this kind of crap in a manner unheard of before. Second, allowing people to feed their narcissism by posting this kind of crap only adds to society's problems.

4. As you said, that's your opinion. What I find, and what most researchers have found in this regard, is that by enabling people to argue, debate and communicate with others from the comfort, and perhaps anonymity of their own homes has lead to more rudeness, coarseness, hostility and overall cheapening the value of the virtual public commons. Sadly, this is now bleeding over into real life as well as people take the manners, or lack thereof, that they learned on FB and elsewhere out into the real world and expect the same sort of results.

5. What does Facebook bring to humanity? Zuckerberg himself has stated that he wanted to bring the social experience of college to the internet. Oh boy, the cliques, the gossip, no, you don't have to grow up and become an adult. Worse, FB quickly degenerated into providing the social experience of middle school. Wow, what a great contribution to the world. And just because it allows people to share lots of information quickly doesn't mean a damn thing unless that information is valid and truthful, which on FB it all too often isn't. Furthermore, what were once innocent pleasures, like having your picture taken with a glass of wine in your hand, can now be used against you, like the teacher who was fired when such a picture turned up on FB.

Sorry, but I find that FB has done more harm to society than good, and that the good it has achieved can also be achieved in other ways. I don't do FB, for the reasons I've stated and others. If I want to get in contact with people, I email, phone or *gasp* write them. The information that can be found on FB can be found elsewhere just as easily. As far as the social experience goes, thanks, but I'm all grown up now and don't feel the desire for the social experience that FB provides. My fervent hope is that within the coming decade FB and other such social media dries up and goes away. We'll all be better if it does.

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On the Virtues of Facebook [View all] RadiationTherapy Nov 2012 OP
Facebook has allowed me to keep in touch with all my friends from Germany for about 6 years now. underoath Nov 2012 #1
In the future, history will be divided into pre- and post-facebook. CJCRANE Nov 2012 #2
I agree. Anthropological dream come true in that sense... RadiationTherapy Nov 2012 #51
Put me in the anti-Facebook category. I hate the way it's taken over the internet. MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #3
"turns so many of its users into addicts" RadiationTherapy Nov 2012 #7
Well, tbf facebook has been much better for me to meet women Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #13
Because being able to shoot down the crazy BarackTheVote Nov 2012 #36
I like facebook Mojorabbit Nov 2012 #41
What makes you think marions ghost Nov 2012 #4
The fact that ten years ago people asked that same question about Myspace? Posteritatis Nov 2012 #43
Don't care if other people love it and use it. TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #5
Yes, I agree that is a strange trend, but certainly it is sociological and not RadiationTherapy Nov 2012 #8
You don't think FB would promote the idea that non-subscribers TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #12
I think most companies may try to market something of that nature. RadiationTherapy Nov 2012 #34
It's not "marketing" to lock me out of non-facebook TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #39
If a website only permits comments with a social media account, RadiationTherapy Nov 2012 #47
What other social media company has co-opted local news sites? TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #52
I also disagree with that business practice. RadiationTherapy Nov 2012 #55
Why would you feel "compelled" to defend one of the richest companies on earth? forestpath Nov 2012 #6
I feel compelled, as I mentioned, because I study communication RadiationTherapy Nov 2012 #10
"Rational reasons"? As if it's not rational to not use Facebook. Your condescension is noted. forestpath Nov 2012 #14
No, as in it is not irrational to use Facebook. RadiationTherapy Nov 2012 #15
"leave us alone?" Were you somehow forced to read and respond to the OP? (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2012 #46
I can understand the desire to 'defend' (but not the company) The Straight Story Nov 2012 #53
Rule #1: If it's private, don't put it on Facebook WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #9
I have a cousin who has fallen on hard times and cannot afford a cell phone. RadiationTherapy Nov 2012 #11
What about email? savalez Nov 2012 #28
Yes, and they are all consolidated on Facebook. RadiationTherapy Nov 2012 #29
I hear ya. savalez Dec 2012 #63
Splitting hairs just a bit, don't you think? (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2012 #44
Good question. savalez Dec 2012 #64
Rule #1: It's not private. You might as well stay off the Internet. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #33
very good read, thanks. Whisp Nov 2012 #16
Good point. I found DU in 2002, so when facebook came along I didn't need it CJCRANE Nov 2012 #18
I have participated in political arguing with a dozen people RadiationTherapy Nov 2012 #25
So, how much is Mark paying you for this? MadHound Nov 2012 #17
Mark doesn't pay. The FB content creators are all volunteers. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #22
I'll reciprocate. RadiationTherapy Nov 2012 #23
Facebook is a mirror of the mundanity of material life. i am thee modren man Nov 2012 #19
That speaks more about you & your friends than it does FB. You have just ridiculed some patrice Nov 2012 #56
I don't particularly like nor dislike Facebook, much as I neither like nor dislike a hammer... LanternWaste Nov 2012 #20
Let's have a look at that. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #21
Ok, ok... RadiationTherapy Nov 2012 #24
Thank you. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #27
From one subgenius to another: yes. RadiationTherapy Nov 2012 #30
you're adorable. LanternWaste Nov 2012 #32
My extended family and friends used to have hilarious email threads that went on for days. morningglory Nov 2012 #26
Yes, but that is your family moving the conversation to a more public venue. RadiationTherapy Nov 2012 #31
email does the same spanone Nov 2012 #35
The difference between Facebook & e-mail is pretty obvious though BarackTheVote Nov 2012 #40
I quit FB, and it's been mildly inconvenient. Butterbean Nov 2012 #37
I spend way more time (and that is spent far more enjoyably) on DU coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #38
Sometimes I am on Facebook, sometimes not. Just like a bar or social club. RadiationTherapy Nov 2012 #48
I honestly believe Facebook was a major tool in countering Citizens United this election. Arugula Latte Nov 2012 #42
This is an excellent point. I agree. RadiationTherapy Nov 2012 #50
I find the reactions to the site as fascinating as the site itself these days Posteritatis Nov 2012 #45
I remember all the crazed rants here at DU about how stupid Lex Nov 2012 #49
I remember those too. I like the Twitter challenge of being significant & brief. . . . patrice Nov 2012 #59
There was a 2-3 month stretch where people were convinced it was a Republican plot Posteritatis Nov 2012 #60
FB is a good place to discover the power of courage in your own voice because your name is patrice Nov 2012 #54
Yes. Thank you for this great comment. RadiationTherapy Nov 2012 #57
I love my more active FB friends. FB gives me a means that allows the luxury of TIME for a patrice Nov 2012 #58
IMO FB is a tool to be used drmeow Nov 2012 #61
Virtues? Jim Warren Nov 2012 #62
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