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In reply to the discussion: the lies of David W, Corn [View all]AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)49. He promised "no new taxes" on those making under 250k? And he kept that promise? Did you notice that
when the Supreme Court upheld the Affordable Care Act,
"In a 5-4 ruling, the court said a part of the law that requires everyone to buy health insurance or pay a fine the so-called individual mandate -- is constitutional because it amounts to a tax, which Congress has authority to levy."
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/news/news/supreme-court-rules-on-affordable-care-act
Did you also know that the Obama Administration also argued that the "individual mandate" was constitutional because it is a tax and the Federal government has the Constitutional power to levy such taxes?
In the brief filed in the Supreme Court, for example, the Obama Administration argued
"First, the Act builds upon the pre-existing nationwide system of employer-based health insurance that is the principal private mechanism for health care financing. 42 U.S.C.A. § 18091(a)(2)(D). As with previous measures designed to encourage employer-based insurance, Congress used the federal tax laws to help achieve its goal, establishing tax incentives for small businesses to purchase health insurance for their employees ...
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"III. Plaintiffs Fail to Address Congresss Authority to Enact the Minimum Coverage Provision as an Exercise of its Taxing Power.
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"In 'passing on the constitutionality of a tax law,' a court is 'concerned only with its practical operation, not its definition or the precise form of descriptive words which may be applied to it.' Nelson v. Sears, Roebuck & Co., 312 U.S. 359, 363 (1941). As the governments district court briefs explain in detail, the minimum coverage provision is in the Tax Code, and it operates as a tax."
http://www.justice.gov/healthcare/docs/baldwin-v-sebelius-brief-for-appellees.pdf
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"III. Plaintiffs Fail to Address Congresss Authority to Enact the Minimum Coverage Provision as an Exercise of its Taxing Power.
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"In 'passing on the constitutionality of a tax law,' a court is 'concerned only with its practical operation, not its definition or the precise form of descriptive words which may be applied to it.' Nelson v. Sears, Roebuck & Co., 312 U.S. 359, 363 (1941). As the governments district court briefs explain in detail, the minimum coverage provision is in the Tax Code, and it operates as a tax."
http://www.justice.gov/healthcare/docs/baldwin-v-sebelius-brief-for-appellees.pdf
In your world, this is not a tax?
Sure, but only if you disregard the Obama Administration's argument before the Supreme Court that that it is a tax. And only if you disregard the Supreme Court's opinion in which it agreed with the Obama Administration that it is a tax.
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True, but be ready to be trashed by those who will want you to give him more time, to know that
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#1
They're letters. & Within limits, too much sturm un drang about them is way more about POWER
patrice
Nov 2012
#29
"Checkmate"? Is that equivalent to "Grand Bargain"? Or TPP? We won't have to wait long to find out.
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#17
Perhaps that has something to do with where you're standing, perspective. Look around you &
patrice
Nov 2012
#36
How about ignoring the fact that the payroll tax cut idea came from the left? nt
geek tragedy
Nov 2012
#12
Sorry. I thought that when there are bad ideas, "It's all the Republicans' fault."
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#18
Only one Senator engaged in an ACTUAL filibuster during the last four years: Bernie Sanders.
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#101
Republicans have been filibustering and obstructing by any and all means possible
NYC Liberal
Nov 2012
#103
Why are you saying that Obama can do no right? Do you need a link to "The List"?
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#106
Actually, Obama had to raise taxes on those under 250k to do what you claim is "nothing".
JoePhilly
Nov 2012
#34
He promised "no new taxes" on those making under 250k? And he kept that promise? Did you notice that
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#49
The words in the Obama Administration's brief speak for themselves and are not RW talking points.
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#97
The truth is that the Obama Administration said that the individual mandate is constitutional
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#99
That was a real 'tell'. It invalidates whatever wandering point the OP was trying to make.
Ikonoklast
Nov 2012
#98
LOL, the 1st post in the attempt to suppress liberal voting in the 2014 mid term elections.
FSogol
Nov 2012
#38
They work to defeat themselves & then wonder why we don't trust them. In a word, Fascism, wearing
patrice
Nov 2012
#42
You neglect to mention that UE benefits were extended as part of that deal as well.
Tarheel_Dem
Nov 2012
#86
I don't think it's possible he could "care less about you than I do". Not even remotely.
Tarheel_Dem
Nov 2012
#110
Those two Maine Senators lined up with us at great cost to them in their party.
pnwmom
Nov 2012
#114