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Crunchy Frog

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83. I don't think America is evil, but we certainly have some evil people here, and we've definitely done some evil shit

Reply to Mossfern (Reply #79)

Thu May 2, 2024, 03:49 PM

May 2024

over the course of our history, and may very well do more in the future. I don't think that pointing that out makes me anti-American.

If someone says that they think what Israel is doing in Gaza is "evil", or that some Israelis are, either in the leadership or among the general population (say very aggressive, violent settlers), is that any different from a similar critique of America and Americans?

Like what do you say about someone like Smotrich? Highly placed in the Israeli government, and appears to many to be calling for outright genocide of Palestinians.

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/2024-04-30/ty-article-opinion/smotrich-must-pay-the-price-for-his-repeated-calls-for-genocide-of-palestinians/0000018f-3084-d0b5-a59f-31c5ca320000

Is Israel unique in that it must never be called out, even if it appears to many be doing some really awful things? Are Israelis unique among humanity in somehow being incapable of evil?

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Question: is it possible to be concerned about Palestinian civilians without being accused of being anti-Semitic? [View all] surfered May 2024 OP

It is very possible sarisataka May 2024 #1

I was chastised by saying "The Israeli Military" viva la May 2024 #56

Of course, but too many are pro hamas as opposed to pro palestinian getagrip_already May 2024 #2

Only 29% of Israelis support a two state solution. rgbecker May 2024 #24

Ahh, but im neither israeli, jewish, or palestinian... getagrip_already May 2024 #25

Wow, SweetT May 2024 #46

I think the poster was making a point, not threatening. AloeVera May 2024 #51

Seriously? triron May 2024 #91

Well, yes. AloeVera May 2024 #92

I just reread this based on other comments getagrip_already May 2024 #61

Yes Raven123 May 2024 #3

Because we are funding the bombing.... TheRealNorth May 2024 #14

Some of us contribute to aid other parts of the world Raven123 May 2024 #17

Okay atreides1 May 2024 #78

hmm... and how many Republicans spoke about it? B.See May 2024 #45

Recently I've been posting more here on Gaza and Palestinians, even though my biggest concern is Ukraine. Crunchy Frog May 2024 #20

Good point Raven123 May 2024 #21

I post way more about Ukraine on Xitter, which is full of pro-russian trolls and bots, Crunchy Frog May 2024 #37

Because of this: LeftInTX May 2024 #43

Would I be considered part of the "Enlarged Jewish population"? Crunchy Frog May 2024 #47

There are people who support Israel. Not having a homeland kinda sucks. LeftInTX May 2024 #48

I don't have a homeland either. I'm American by birth, but I'm completely fucked if Trump takes back the presidency. Crunchy Frog May 2024 #50

I don't think that you would be considered Mossfern May 2024 #65

I may be misunderstanding Mossfern May 2024 #62

No I wasn't. I think I was trying to explain why you might see more people posting about the war in Gaza Crunchy Frog May 2024 #74

Some of us have gotten hides for speaking up for the innocent. One of them being a 3 word comment. onecaliberal May 2024 #81

Because the discussion is about Gaza? Think. Again. May 2024 #33

Be for peace Bad Thoughts May 2024 #4

!! elias7 May 2024 #22

You are right, the photos of bombed cities look exactly like each other. Biophilic May 2024 #5

Perhaps those pro-Ukraine protests would have manifested if Russia were behind some of the messaging. Chakaconcarne May 2024 #7

Not exactly alike getagrip_already May 2024 #26

At least in places like Bakhmut, they were able to evacuate almost all the civilians. Crunchy Frog May 2024 #39

Ukraine has been bombed for more than a year. viva la May 2024 #59

Ukraine has been at war since 2014 getagrip_already May 2024 #63

Or by the US in WWII Happy Hoosier May 2024 #6

Of course. Just avoid saying anti-semitic things and harassing Jews who have nothing to do with Bibi. emulatorloo May 2024 #8

Of course, if one looks at the slaughter and starvation of children for seven months. Big Blue Marble May 2024 #9

Is it possible not to support the protesters ripcord May 2024 #10

Good question, sarisataka May 2024 #11

Apparently not. n/t Coventina May 2024 #49

Of course MustLoveBeagles May 2024 #67

Of course it's possible. BlueTsunami2018 May 2024 #12

It's rather common for both sides of protests to be funded by the same outside parties, as a strategy to divide lostnfound May 2024 #16

Well said, thank you. Think. Again. May 2024 #34

Of course. maxsolomon May 2024 #13

No, it appears the answer to that question is no. lostnfound May 2024 #15

It's not anti-Semitic to be opposed to violence. lees1975 May 2024 #18

As long as you say that everything is the fault of Hamas, and the IDF is as pure as driven snow. Crunchy Frog May 2024 #19

See? Mossfern May 2024 #66

Seriously? there was an OP yesterday accusing people of it obamanut2012 May 2024 #71

It was intended as a simple observation of what I've actually seen on this board. Crunchy Frog May 2024 #77

Agreed! Mossfern May 2024 #79

I don't think America is evil, but we certainly have some evil people here, and we've definitely done some evil shit Crunchy Frog May 2024 #83

Smotrich is a piece of shit Mossfern May 2024 #85

I'm not claiming that I have the answers to what seems like an intractible situation. Crunchy Frog May 2024 #86

0f course it's possible. Elessar Zappa May 2024 #23

Israeli, Palestinian, Jew, Muslim, Russians, Ukrainians, take your pick. Ping Tung May 2024 #27

While I would like to believe that too; it simply is not true. Big Blue Marble May 2024 #102

Sinwar and Smotrich and in very different power positions. CincyDem May 2024 #107

Many if not most American Jews and a large percentage of Israelis are mad at Bibi LetMyPeopleVote May 2024 #28

This post deserves its own thead MustLoveBeagles May 2024 #69

I started a thread for this post LetMyPeopleVote May 2024 #95

Not by many claudette May 2024 #29

Concern is one thing... PeaceWave May 2024 #30

But not claudette May 2024 #31

There's also increased understanding of, and support for, Palestinian people. Duncan Grant May 2024 #38

What you said is patently not true obamanut2012 May 2024 #70

+1, This constant conflation on DU sounds like it's against TOS uponit7771 May 2024 #88

It has been going on nonstop since October 7th. Celerity May 2024 #100

Please do link to ONE post on DU where ANYONE here EVER said Israel has no right to exist. Scrivener7 May 2024 #105

It depends on how you do it.. Doesn't it? Cha May 2024 #32

Of course it is. But calling for Israel to further tolerate a Hamas-controlled Gaza.... Happy Hoosier May 2024 #35

No.... Think. Again. May 2024 #36

Wait a second Mossfern May 2024 #75

Calling out posters for being anti-semitic... Think. Again. May 2024 #82

Yes. You can be pro Gaza and anti Hamas. ananda May 2024 #40

Only if you're advocating destroying Hamas to free Gaza FBaggins May 2024 #57

Absolutely, hard to pick which I hate more: Hamas,.or Likuud and Bibi JCMach1 May 2024 #41

I'm pro Isreal but anti Netanyahu and very anti... lame54 May 2024 #42

Thanks for the comments. surfered May 2024 #44

Sure! It's the IDF's position FBaggins May 2024 #52

What is the IDF position? obamanut2012 May 2024 #72

Concern about Palestinian civilians FBaggins May 2024 #87

Support peace for both sides. A ceasefire alone is pro-Hamas. They promise to kill more Jews. keithbvadu2 May 2024 #53

Yes! Lunabell May 2024 #54

Accusing a poster of being antisemitic is against the rules at DU Mosby May 2024 #55

It depends. After observing for the past few months, I think that ecstatic May 2024 #58

That helped. Thank you. surfered May 2024 #60

Not off topic at all. Great post. Scrivener7 May 2024 #104

Apparently not malaise May 2024 #64

I've learned several months ago newdayneeded May 2024 #68

You do realize the irony of your post...? sarisataka May 2024 #73

Sure, but these kids proclaiming that they are Hamas is not the way. DemMedic May 2024 #76

NO. You're not to care for INNOCENT women and children around here. onecaliberal May 2024 #80

Is everyone engaging in this debate doing it in good faith and looking for solutions? No. meadowlander May 2024 #84

I hope all these responses answered your question... dchill May 2024 #89

I'm so confused... surfered May 2024 #90

Frankly, me too. dchill May 2024 #93

Why Trump's hardline position on U.S. policy in Gaza matters LetMyPeopleVote May 2024 #94

Thank You!! Cha May 2024 #96

If TFG is re-elected, he will ban people with the "wrong" religion from coming to the US LetMyPeopleVote May 2024 #97

There is a potential cease fire deal that Bibi may sabotage and the protestors are our in force LetMyPeopleVote May 2024 #98

Israelis are protesting for Ceasefire, the return of their loved ones and for Netanyahu to step down. LetMyPeopleVote May 2024 #99

Not here. Celerity May 2024 #101

Not here. Some of the ones in this very thread who are assuring you it's possible Scrivener7 May 2024 #103

I moved from England to marry a Jew in America. My wife won't criticise Israel, but Doodley May 2024 #106