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Crunchy Frog

(26,873 posts)
69. I want the state to continue to exist,
Thu May 2, 2024, 11:12 PM
May 2024

but not necessarily as a religious ethno-nationalist state with different classes of citizenship or non-citizenship, mostly based on parentage and ancestry.

I think it should be a state for all its citizens, and it should have defined borders with equal citizenship for anyone living within them.

This business of de facto annexation of the West Bank with the establishment and constant spread and expansion of settlements, where the Jewish inhabitants have full rights and citizenship and the Palestinian ones have neither is not acceptable and probably not sustainable.

Theoretically I'm in favor of a two state solution, but I'm afraid that the settlement enterprise has made it all but impossible, as was always its purpose. The fundamental underlying problems won't go away, even if Netanyahu does. I honestly don't know how the situation ultimately gets resolved.

I think that most people would probably not classify me as a Zionist.

Who cares...? calguy May 2024 #1
That's what I want to know. This is a discussion board. Why even post a OP if #1 you are not going to respond and #2 debm55 May 2024 #45
Sure, but you can't just pretend away the folks that are using the conflict in Gaza to as a pretext to spread their hate tritsofme May 2024 #2
You should look into who those folks are. Think. Again. May 2024 #5
Oh, did they purchase some sort of "pass" to excuse their anti-Semitism? tritsofme May 2024 #7
I agree, anyone who would infiltrate a protest... Think. Again. May 2024 #9
They didn't need to "infiltrate" it The Mouth May 2024 #25
That's quite an assumption on your part. Think. Again. May 2024 #26
It's an assumption Dorian Gray May 2024 #75
So you DO understand the power of the provocateurs. Think. Again. May 2024 #77
The protesters should at least boo loudly when they hear that crap. jimfields33 May 2024 #79
Hamas thanks them Mz Pip May 2024 #62
So True.. TY! Cha May 2024 #73
Jewish Voices for Peace are helping run most of the protests. womanofthehills May 2024 #55
The problem is that, as good as the intentions wnylib May 2024 #56
"It is a myth that Israel is bombing people indescriminately. Israel is targeting Hamas. " ProfessorPlum May 2024 #58
Israel's strategy is to destroy the ability of Hamas wnylib May 2024 #60
when all the Gazans are dead, there certainly won't be any more threat from Gaza ProfessorPlum May 2024 #63
I can argue with it because it is not logic. wnylib May 2024 #65
We'll see, apparently, whether any Gazans are allowed to live. ProfessorPlum May 2024 #66
Don't worry. You will be proven wrong. wnylib May 2024 #67
Israel is committing a genocide ProfessorPlum May 2024 #68
The danger of that bill the House passed is that you could possibly be charged (wrongly!) with a hate crime just for Celerity May 2024 #76
Did you actually read the bill? lapucelle May 2024 #78
Not "genocide". You're the one spreading misinformation. AnrothElf May 2024 #91
it literally fits several of the criteria for genocide. ProfessorPlum May 2024 #92
Calling the war in Gaza a "genocide" diminishes real genocides in order to make a cheap political point. AnrothElf May 2024 #93
it's a real genocide ProfessorPlum May 2024 #95
No, it's categorically not. AnrothElf May 2024 #96
They're not antisemitic... zanana1 May 2024 #83
REC... Excellent Post.. Thank You!!! Cha May 2024 #72
you don't need to change your mind lapfog_1 May 2024 #3
You are correct sarisataka May 2024 #4
We are of the same mind. Thank you for posting that. Think. Again. May 2024 #6
If the goal was to make a lot of folks realize that they are, in fact, Zionists then...Mission Accomplished. PeaceWave May 2024 #8
It's like a semantic trick, right? Tickle May 2024 #10
Starving children is not defensive. Pmc1962 May 2024 #16
Zionism has a simple meaning. I want Israel to continue to exist so I am a Zionist. Demsrule86 May 2024 #27
Zionists come in more than one flavor and have never observed that discussed at DU. PufPuf23 May 2024 #35
And neo Zionists Goddessartist May 2024 #39
Never heard those terms. elleng May 2024 #51
There's also Post-Zionism. Crunchy Frog May 2024 #70
Lived much of life within two Reformed Jewish families and known many Jews PufPuf23 May 2024 #74
It is an old term date back to more than 100 years and is currently used as Demsrule86 May 2024 #82
What term are you talking about? nt PufPuf23 May 2024 #87
It really doesnt. It has always been used as a an antisemtic slur. Demsrule86 May 2024 #85
What is the antisemitic slur? nt PufPuf23 May 2024 #86
I never wrote anything; there are two wikipedia links. What are you calling an antisemitic slur? PufPuf23 May 2024 #89
I want the state to continue to exist, Crunchy Frog May 2024 #69
Actually Always Blue May 2024 #11
Using the term "Genocide" to describe Israel's actions . . . Richard D May 2024 #12
So Why Don't You Then HandmaidsTaleUntold May 2024 #30
Allow me, for the gazillionth time: Beastly Boy May 2024 #40
Leave Israel as an entity out of it. Zero in on the policies of the Warmonger Netanyahu... brush May 2024 #34
I would be happy to do this if I weren't confronted with Beastly Boy May 2024 #42
Hello, my friend. Pls note those accusations are not coming from me... brush May 2024 #43
My apologies. I may be venting, but you are definitely not the target. Beastly Boy May 2024 #48
Call It What You Want HandmaidsTaleUntold May 2024 #50
If the suffering is all that matters, you can bet on it to continue uninterrupted. Beastly Boy May 2024 #53
There is no truth to the accusations of genocide Mosby May 2024 #13
So My Jewsish Friends Are Anti-Semites? HandmaidsTaleUntold May 2024 #32
They may well be Anti-Zionists. maxsolomon May 2024 #37
It is plainly on its face a genocide ProfessorPlum May 2024 #59
Tellthem malaise May 2024 #14
Actually Mossfern May 2024 #15
Israel is defending itself against genocide. Beastly Boy May 2024 #44
They get an F in critical thinking Mossfern May 2024 #49
Neither is criticism of a sovereign state's government Warpy May 2024 #17
Elections have consequences... PeaceWave May 2024 #18
There has NOT been an election for 17 years. onecaliberal May 2024 #24
Yes. Too bad for her that she voted the wrong way. Crunchy Frog May 2024 #71
So it is acceptable to kill the people of Gaza because they voted for Hamas? Voltaire2 May 2024 #80
The use of the term "genocide" has become meaningless at this point. Happy Hoosier May 2024 #19
If it's meaningless TheCynic56 May 2024 #81
It is, at "best," textbook ethnic cleansing obamanut2012 May 2024 #84
I'm against avoidable violent death for any living thing. Aussie105 May 2024 #20
Of course it isn't. Criticism of the actions of both Hamas and Israel is vaild, and warranted. patphil May 2024 #21
prove the genocide. try not to use numbers, figures, or "facts" from hamas. AZLD4Candidate May 2024 #22
Anti-Zionism is antisemitism. nt LexVegas May 2024 #23
That's hyperbole Jilly_in_VA May 2024 #31
Another reason not to have a theocracy. Imagine a foreign leader criticizing the US and being accused of brewens May 2024 #28
Lying about jews committing genocide manifestly is antisemitism Steven Maurer May 2024 #29
Neither is opposing Israel's social system. David__77 May 2024 #33
I say ethnic cleansing, but that's inherently genocidal, imho. Duncan Grant May 2024 #36
Except when it is... JCMach1 May 2024 #38
It seems that any disagreement with the Israeli government is now considered by many as anti-Semitic. Chainfire May 2024 #41
They don't teach or care about history. I learned from my dad, WWII Veteran. onecaliberal May 2024 #54
Genocide is such a loaded word, lets say Crimes Against Humanity sanatanadharma May 2024 #46
I'm presently watching "We Were The Lucky Ones" and the walkingman May 2024 #47
Okay. Texasgal May 2024 #52
You are correct of course! Goddessartist May 2024 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby May 2024 #61
. TomDaisy May 2024 #64
Alas, this is gibberish gulliver May 2024 #88
you're really making your case TomDaisy May 2024 #94
"Heritage, not Hate' Bonx May 2024 #90
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