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In reply to the discussion: Here Comes The Polls [View all]BumRushDaShow
(170,895 posts)38. For the partisan GOP pollsters
as noted here - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3230491
The Red Wave Washout: How Skewed Polls Fed a False Election Narrative
By Jim Rutenberg, Ken Bensinger and Steve Eder
Dec. 31, 2022
Senator Patty Murray, a Democrat, had consistently won re-election by healthy margins in her three decades representing Washington State. This year seemed no different: By midsummer, polls showed her cruising to victory over a Republican newcomer, Tiffany Smiley, by as much as 20 percentage points.
So when a survey in late September by the Republican-leaning Trafalgar Group showed Ms. Murray clinging to a lead of just two points, it seemed like an aberration. But in October, two more Republican-leaning polls put Ms. Murray barely ahead, and a third said the race was a dead heat.
(snip)
Ms. Murrays own polling showed her with a comfortable lead, and a nonprofit regional news site, using an established local pollster, had her up by 13. Unwilling to take chances, however, she went on the defensive, scuttling her practice of lavishing some of her war chest she amassed $20 million on more vulnerable Democratic candidates elsewhere. Instead, she reaped financial help from the partys national Senate committee and supportive super PACs resources that would, as a result, be unavailable to other Democrats.
A similar sequence of events played out in battlegrounds nationwide. Surveys showing strength for Republicans, often from the same partisan pollsters, set Democratic klaxons blaring in Pennsylvania, New Hampshire and Colorado. Coupled with the political factors already favoring Republicans including inflation and President Bidens unpopularity the skewed polls helped feed what quickly became an inescapable political narrative: A Republican wave election was about to hit the country with hurricane force. Democrats in each of those states went on to win their Senate races. Ms. Murray clobbered Ms. Smiley by nearly 15 points.
(snip)
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/31/us/politics/polling-election-2022-red-wave.html
By Jim Rutenberg, Ken Bensinger and Steve Eder
Dec. 31, 2022
Senator Patty Murray, a Democrat, had consistently won re-election by healthy margins in her three decades representing Washington State. This year seemed no different: By midsummer, polls showed her cruising to victory over a Republican newcomer, Tiffany Smiley, by as much as 20 percentage points.
So when a survey in late September by the Republican-leaning Trafalgar Group showed Ms. Murray clinging to a lead of just two points, it seemed like an aberration. But in October, two more Republican-leaning polls put Ms. Murray barely ahead, and a third said the race was a dead heat.
(snip)
Ms. Murrays own polling showed her with a comfortable lead, and a nonprofit regional news site, using an established local pollster, had her up by 13. Unwilling to take chances, however, she went on the defensive, scuttling her practice of lavishing some of her war chest she amassed $20 million on more vulnerable Democratic candidates elsewhere. Instead, she reaped financial help from the partys national Senate committee and supportive super PACs resources that would, as a result, be unavailable to other Democrats.
A similar sequence of events played out in battlegrounds nationwide. Surveys showing strength for Republicans, often from the same partisan pollsters, set Democratic klaxons blaring in Pennsylvania, New Hampshire and Colorado. Coupled with the political factors already favoring Republicans including inflation and President Bidens unpopularity the skewed polls helped feed what quickly became an inescapable political narrative: A Republican wave election was about to hit the country with hurricane force. Democrats in each of those states went on to win their Senate races. Ms. Murray clobbered Ms. Smiley by nearly 15 points.
(snip)
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/31/us/politics/polling-election-2022-red-wave.html
When you have "aggregators" like 538 and RCP actually including PARTISAN polls (in some cases, with results that are outliers) into their aggregates and then those aggregate sites argue for allowing them, resulting in polling "averages" that are now "off", and then the pundits run with that, this literally DOES skew their narratives about "the state of the race". And that results in misallocation of funds towards certain races because of that where in reality such shouldn't have needed to happen.
Democrats have had pollsters like PPP, but nowhere near the number that the GOP has created and pushed into the "mainstream" aggregator world.
I still post the bullshit that they did with Fetterman and having Oz basically ahead and "winning" in 2022 by the "horse race" 0.5% -

The ACTUALS were Fetterman WINNING by 4% -

Polls don't vote, PEOPLE vote.
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Well she has to say that. I believe that it will be at least a 5% spread + Dems all the way.
flying_wahini
May 2024
#2
I found this on Google in about a minute. There were other articles as well. This means
Demsrule86
May 2024
#53
Kennedy is not even going to make 10...he is unimportant. oops I meant RFK JR...not this Kennedy
Demsrule86
May 2024
#23
Polls are a snapshot of the current landscape - but no, they're not meaningless.
In Too Deep
May 2024
#12
They only indicate the sentiment of the ones who were invested enough to respond to the pollsters
BumRushDaShow
May 2024
#17
Polls are not the same as the narratives that SOME people spin around them, and are NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE to GOTV
Silent3
May 2024
#58
"You cannot disconnect the two because they are inextricably linked"? Yes, I can, using this tool called a "brain".
Silent3
May 2024
#65
Nope, I'm not "an employee of RCP or 538 or any other aggregator site", nor do I see the relevance of that
Silent3
May 2024
#73
Nope, I'm not "an employee of RCP or 538 or any other aggregator site", nor do I see the relevance of that
BumRushDaShow
May 2024
#74
You apparently have your own agenda you want to rant about, not the phrase "polls are meaningless"
Silent3
May 2024
#75
"The fact that you even thought that I ever said that you did is perhaps telling?"
Silent3
May 2024
#87
And yet you literally said: "The "polls" NEVER had Biden picking up GA as a state"
In Too Deep
May 2024
#42
The "narrative" that took on a life of its own claimed such based on their use or misuse of "polls"
BumRushDaShow
May 2024
#91
The "narratives" that were generated from "the polls" - notably in their maps - didn't show GA as "blue"
BumRushDaShow
May 2024
#95
"Polls" (plural) as reflected in the aggregate averages that had most pundits leaving GA as "tossup"
BumRushDaShow
May 2024
#98
You ignored my entire argument about "narratives" and instead have framed it with your own fixation.
BumRushDaShow
May 2024
#104
You cherry-pick out of ALL the posts that I did talking about "narratives" and "polls" in order to obfuscate the point
BumRushDaShow
May 2024
#108
Why do you want to think that? Recent elections have been very much in our favor...
Demsrule86
May 2024
#55
"They only indicate the sentiment of the ones who were invested enough to respond to the pollsters"
Silent3
May 2024
#34
This election is nothing like any other election in our lifetime which is why most of the polls are wrong.
Demsrule86
May 2024
#24
2022 resulted in Democrats RETAKING the PA state House after a dozen years
BumRushDaShow
May 2024
#40
And I will reiterate: 2020 was close. 2022 was close. I see no reason to believe 2024 won't be close.
In Too Deep
May 2024
#63
You're a smart person. If you aren't clear on how those elections turned out, you can Google the results.
In Too Deep
May 2024
#90
I am promoting MY opinion. I think the election will be close. Just as it was close four years ago.
In Too Deep
May 2024
#93
Yeah, I wonder about this so called poll stats, and they all seem to be off, by some indeterminate factor, which
SWBTATTReg
May 2024
#31
The ONLY polls that matter are battleground state polls. Thats where the race will be won or lost.
oldsoftie
May 2024
#76
There are many polls. Pick the one you like and swear by it. Swear at the others.
keithbvadu2
May 2024
#82