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AloeVera

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96. Theoretically, yes. But the U.S. has power and Israel is militarily dependent.
Sat May 4, 2024, 12:43 AM
May 2024
Let's put aside for a minute American domestic politics, which are a huge part of any equation for a president, for sure. But if you put that aside, suspend that for a minute, yes, the president of the United States can make a call, and in pretty short order, I think the Israelis would follow through if, in fact, he conditions aid to Israel. There is no question that even in the - certainly in the short term, that Israel is highly dependent on the United States. This was clear in this war. Israel has the top cutting-edge technology that it needs to have an edge over all its opponents, enemies in the Middle East, thanks to the United States, but more importantly, in the United Nations, the United States obviously protects Israel against actions that could be consequential, especially in the Security Council, where the U.S. has been vetoing multiple resolutions, even cease-fire resolutions.


So in this particular case, though, during the war, just keep in mind the following - number one, even despite the fact that Israel has the most powerful military in the Middle East, it has needed immediate supplies from the U.S., you know, so much so that the State Department had to bypass congressional approval to get there. And the U.S. dispatched, you know, aircraft carriers in the region to make sure that other parties don't enter the fight in a way that would make it impossible for the Israelis to fight on multiple fronts. So there's no question that the U.S. wields enormous power, if it really decided to, in fact, exercise that power.


MARTÍNEZ: How much support does Israel need from the United States to have their military function? Could the war continue if aid from the U.S. was cut off?

TELHAMI: Oh, no question, it can't - not on the same - in the same way, in the same scale. Again, there are two indicators of that. The one indicator is the need for even munitions in the middle of the war to carry out the certain operations the Israelis were carrying out, the need for American protection with the Navy to prevent expansion of the war where Israel could fight multiple fronts and the need to prevent certain U.N. resolutions that would tie Israel's hands further. So all of these obviously indicate that Israel would suffer dramatically and its military options would be more limited if, in fact, the U.S. stopped support. But MARTÍNEZ: How much support does Israel need from the United States to have their military function? Could the war continue if aid from the U.S. was cut off?

TELHAMI: Oh, no question, it can't - not on the same - in the same way, in the same scale. Again, there are two indicators of that. The one indicator is the need for even munitions in the middle of the war to carry out the certain operations the Israelis were carrying out, the need for American protection with the Navy to prevent expansion of the war where Israel could fight multiple fronts and the need to prevent certain U.N. resolutions that would tie Israel's hands further. So all of these obviously indicate that Israel would suffer dramatically and its military options would be more limited if, in fact, the U.S. stopped support. But theoretically, you know, Israel is a strong country militarily, has its own military industry, has a very well-trained military and certainly could fight, but not on the same scale, not in the same way, not with the same objectives., you know, Israel is a strong country militarily, has its own military industry, has a very well-trained military and certainly could fight, but not on the same scale, not in the same way, not with the same objectives.

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PBS Reports on Rising Antisemistism - April 2023 JustAnotherGen May 2024 #1
Okay atreides1 May 2024 #3
Agree JustAnotherGen May 2024 #4
Thank you. Goddessartist May 2024 #2
Ask him how he feels JustAnotherGen May 2024 #5
First Goddessartist May 2024 #7
I was actually working for a Congress Woman JustAnotherGen May 2024 #9
Well, Goddessartist May 2024 #14
Please consider. AloeVera May 2024 #24
Full, original meaning of genocide. Very interesting. AloeVera May 2024 #47
Exactly. Lonestarblue May 2024 #101
Why aren't we talking about Sudan? shrike3 May 2024 #45
Because it's not trendy and the TV cameras wouldn't be there BannonsLiver May 2024 #48
Go start an OP obamanut2012 May 2024 #71
Take it up with the poster who dismissed Sudan shrike3 May 2024 #75
This is not the Oppression Olympics obamanut2012 May 2024 #70
There is no doubt that some of these protestors are antisemitic. Demsrule86 May 2024 #12
The Protests Should Continue... Nutty Putty May 2024 #13
Biden is not president of Israel. he cannot unilaterally stop the war. shrike3 May 2024 #37
Those bombs, mortar rounds, essential parts etc AloeVera May 2024 #41
What makes you think Bibi will stop if we withdraw aid? shrike3 May 2024 #43
The U.S. has now fully funded this war. AloeVera May 2024 #78
I have found nothing that supports your figures. shrike3 May 2024 #84
See Post # 83. AloeVera May 2024 #88
That article states what it is costing Israel. shrike3 May 2024 #91
But further... AloeVera May 2024 #82
So much for the one phone call idea shrike3 May 2024 #86
Bolsters my argument that Israel couldn't continue the war, at least at the same scale. AloeVera May 2024 #92
No, it doesn't bolster your argument shrike3 May 2024 #94
Theoretically, yes. But the U.S. has power and Israel is militarily dependent. AloeVera May 2024 #96
"Israel is a strong country militarily, has its own military industry, has a very well-trained military" shrike3 May 2024 #100
No one denies Israel has a strong military AloeVera May 2024 #102
Dead is dead. shrike3 May 2024 #103
Wow. AloeVera May 2024 #106
You were the one who said a smaller war would be better. Less people killed, and all. shrike3 May 2024 #107
I like my debates honest. AloeVera May 2024 #108
I'm crushed. shrike3 May 2024 #109
And if Israel continues on without us, would Biden still be blamed? shrike3 May 2024 #55
I'm sure you know the answer to that. n/t AloeVera May 2024 #79
I believe I do. Yes, he would be blamed. Because he didn't wave a magic wand. shrike3 May 2024 #87
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2024 #50
Eighty-five percent of Israel's budget does not come from the U.S. shrike3 May 2024 #54
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2024 #62
Yup, they have an NHS because of our aid obamanut2012 May 2024 #73
And if every ounce of aid is withdrawn and the war continues, who will you blame then? shrike3 May 2024 #76
We can and we should. All Western nations. AloeVera May 2024 #83
Short of waving a magic wand, what do you suggest? shrike3 May 2024 #85
What do you mean? AloeVera May 2024 #89
What do you suggest if Israel goes on without us? shrike3 May 2024 #90
Not pretending anything. AloeVera May 2024 #93
If anybody out there has a magic wand, I suggest they send it to the White House forthwith. shrike3 May 2024 #95
It's not a magic wand. The U.S. has the stick. AloeVera May 2024 #97
If Bibi continues without U.S. Aid, who will you blame then? shrike3 May 2024 #99
Great. Then Israel can carry on without our aid. Voltaire2 May 2024 #51
I'd be fine with that. But no complaining if and when the conflict continues. shrike3 May 2024 #53
I'll continue to oppose their genocidal operations. Voltaire2 May 2024 #56
Cool. Just don't blame Biden. shrike3 May 2024 #57
Sure. When we stopping providing support. Voltaire2 May 2024 #59
Cool. shrike3 May 2024 #60
I don't agree. The protests help both Hamas and Netanyahu. They do no good. This Demsrule86 May 2024 #44
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Whatever. shrike3 May 2024 #61
Israel tried to give back Gaza and the West Bank decades ago NickB79 May 2024 #105
Post removed Post removed May 2024 #16
So you're calling me, my almost 98 year old Jewish mother in law, Goddessartist May 2024 #17
I am prevented by the DU terms of use from answering your accusation directly. Beastly Boy May 2024 #19
You sound like Goddessartist May 2024 #27
Can you back up your accuation with anything tangible, or is it only Beastly Boy May 2024 #28
By DU's rules you couldn't answer honestly. Goddessartist May 2024 #30
The accusations are all yours. Beastly Boy May 2024 #36
No he doesn't... persoaally attacking him with the Netanyahu Cha May 2024 #77
Add Bernie Sanders to the list of those whose response would be defined Scrivener7 May 2024 #58
Absurd Goddessartist May 2024 #65
If "some on DU" include yours truly, Beastly Boy May 2024 #67
Deluded Thinking... Nutty Putty May 2024 #18
Then start dealing with the facts and the truth. Beastly Boy May 2024 #20
Educate yourself Nutty Putty May 2024 #31
I m sufficiently educated on the subject to question your understanding of it. Beastly Boy May 2024 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2024 #63
I am not supporting genocide, and I am not at all certain you understand the meaning of the word. Beastly Boy May 2024 #66
I'm tired of your gaslighting! TheCynic56 May 2024 #29
Then by all means, don't comment on my posts! Beastly Boy May 2024 #35
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Don't be silly! Beastly Boy May 2024 #49
Yes they do but it's not Beastly Boy who's "mean". Cha May 2024 #68
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Rec'd 1000+ Mossfern May 2024 #64
"My hubby is Jewish..." Jedi Guy May 2024 #110
This line is truly relevant here Doc Sportello May 2024 #6
Oh c'mon everyone knows the source LuvLoogie May 2024 #8
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Some behavior towards Jewish students by those protesting GAZA is clearly antisemitic. Demsrule86 May 2024 #25
Interestingly, this theory illustrates the nature of antisemitism in its current iteration. Beastly Boy May 2024 #11
Agree totally FakeNoose May 2024 #22
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Agreed, and it's further proof that the students themselves aren't initiating the trouble FakeNoose May 2024 #26
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Thanks for posting. The ICC should be free to prosecute war crimes against any perpetrators. Ping Tung May 2024 #42
DURec leftstreet May 2024 #34
I feel that people don't really understand or accept how bad anti-semitism is ismnotwasm May 2024 #40
There are unfortunately people, more common than one would hope Sympthsical May 2024 #74
Yes, that is my general impression ismnotwasm May 2024 #80
Thanks for posting the Hate Glossary. I actually read through it and DemocraticPatriot May 2024 #81
Exactly what are you trying to say? ismnotwasm May 2024 #104
I am saying that it is NOT antisemitic to believe that those who support DemocraticPatriot May 2024 #111
Thanks for posting - well said obamanut2012 May 2024 #69
Jewish Community Leaders Say Cal Poly Humboldt Protests are not Anti-Semitic. PufPuf23 May 2024 #98
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