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Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:06 PM Nov 2012

The Grand Bargain is coming! The Grand Bargain is coming! [View all]

First of all, let's get rid of the revisionist history (that's RW territory, anyway) and think back to the ACTUAL Grand Bargain.

We need to remember that the original GB had great success for the Liberals - it managed to extend the tax cuts, both Bush and Obama's - for the Middle Class. Unfortunately, it also extended the Upper Class tax cuts temporarily, but Obama seems determined not to let that happen this time. It also extended Unemployment benefits that were due to expire. I could go on and on, but let's suffice it to say that in the face of unprecedented RW obstructionism O managed to broker a deal that overwhelmingly benefited Progressive ideals.

But let's get to the meat of the matter - it also contained a "trigger" clause. It established a special commission later called the Fiscal Commission that was designed to either be wildly successful.... or to fail.

Personally, I think this was a great idea. An Independent Bipartisan Commission to seriously look at the issues and agree on the proposals. And then, an actual Up or Down vote on the approved proposal! Genius!

Except, in order to be approved the Commission had to overwhelmingly approve the measures by a 14 out of 17 vote. Not just a Super-majority, but more than 80+% approval. Of course, no Committee can gain that amount of approval, but it will force them to TRY and consider measures they wouldn't have, otherwise.

One thing that everyone should remember is that the Simpson-Bowles recommendations were REJECTED. That is an excellent bargaining chip to begin with.

As far as Dick Durbin's recent comments, let's pay attention to what he actually said:

Social Security is off the table - period. Medicare and Medicaid need to be solvent WITHOUT cutting benefits - and if someone has a good idea to do that WITHOUT cutting benefits, we're willing to listen (for anyone who has done actual negotiations, this is standard practice; "If you have a better way I'm willing to listen&quot .

Now I agree that NOW is the time to make our preferences known. In fact, Obama is depending on us to do so! But remember to direct your efforts towards those who affront your efforts. Don't tell Dems "you need to try harder", tell the RW "you need to do what's right for Americans".

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Considering the lack of resonse NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #1
What a reeking, steaming pile of bullshit. woo me with science Nov 2012 #2
And that is a post! TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #7
Bravo Oilwellian Nov 2012 #10
Revisonsionist BS. NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #11
+1 leftstreet Nov 2012 #12
+ 1,000 ^ upi402 Nov 2012 #18
+1 HiPointDem Nov 2012 #42
Terrific post - should be an OP. Raksha Nov 2012 #57
+1 PETRUS Nov 2012 #60
^^^^^THIS!^^^^^^ 99Forever Nov 2012 #67
BRAVO!!!!! This is EXACTLY how I feel! forestpath Nov 2012 #73
can you seriously believe that? hfojvt Nov 2012 #3
It is not "Reagonomics", and any attempt to paint it as such NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #20
I have to wonder Savannahmann Nov 2012 #28
Interesting post - first of all, I am NOT suggesting "surrender now" NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #31
And you thought "We need to remember that the original GB had great success for the Liberals"? AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #37
How is it ridiculous hfojvt Nov 2012 #39
apparently to the OP, tax cuts are now a prime objective of the Democratic party quinnox Nov 2012 #52
tax cuts slanted so the 10% get the lion's share of the cuts ain't reaganomics? HiPointDem Nov 2012 #43
Obama is a smart negotiator gravity Nov 2012 #4
Huh? He took Single Payer off the table from the start upi402 Nov 2012 #21
did single payer ever have a chance? NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #32
You would think that all other thinking people would catch on to this. Apparently some, if sincere, AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #36
He never ran on single payer and NO Democrat in Congress would have gotten it through BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #38
Exactly! Which some people tend to denigrate. nt NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #22
Nothing can pass unless Obama signs it, and unless it passes the Democrats in the Senate. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #5
so far they've saved money by reducing provider payments. funny kind of savings. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #45
Durbin is a close ally of the president democrattotheend Nov 2012 #6
But there are a lot of people twisting his words NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #23
The Republican Party isn't the only BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #40
yeah, the tiny fringe was holding obama hostage. lol. funny stuff. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #46
I know, huh? But some are deluded enough to believe they could, BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #49
really? the fringe thought they could hold obama hostage? who is it that's delusional again? HiPointDem Nov 2012 #53
I just told you. The fringe of the Democratic Party. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #54
one wonders what you think you're laughing at. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #55
What I'm laughing at? I'm laughing at the people who constantly underestimate this BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #63
Seems obvious to anyone reading this... 99Forever Nov 2012 #68
That's your opinion. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #69
Dunno... 99Forever Nov 2012 #70
Dunno . . . BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #74
I have faith in the president to do the right thing. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #8
'Faith?' He's a politician, not a deity n/t leftstreet Nov 2012 #13
how about confidence? hrmjustin Nov 2012 #14
I guess that's better leftstreet Nov 2012 #16
If I wasn't positive i would get depressed. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #17
Don't let the small but LOUD group depress you. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #50
Step back a few feet from the thread woo me with science Nov 2012 #59
Don't worry, Woo. I see you. eom BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #65
Even I understood that it was an informal use of the word. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #41
I couldn't get past "the original GB had great success for the Liberals." WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #9
The original GB didn't touch either one. Again, NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #24
The same types responding to your posts BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #47
LOL "Something deeper," BCD? Do tell, Dr. Freud. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #58
Well, Doubting Thomas, BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #64
LOL "Dennis Kucinich"? That's the best you can come up with? WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #71
What's it like to live with one's head in the sand? WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #61
lol quinnox Nov 2012 #15
Then you would be wrong. Google is your friend. nt NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #25
heh, this reminds me of the brief campaign quinnox Nov 2012 #27
well, perhaps you should forget your prejudices NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #33
I swear BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #44
Yep. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #34
We've got to get the ability to rec responses, because yours is one that would be recced a lot. Savannahmann Nov 2012 #29
thanks, I also think that would be an awesome feature to add to DU quinnox Nov 2012 #30
x2 AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #35
Or the ability to UNrec a responding post. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #48
have we really gotten so obsessed with competition that we're now taking bets liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #19
good point - there will NOT be a new "Grand Bargain". NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #26
So, you start a thread with an outright lie and a weak attempt to revise history, Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #51
The grand bargain was rejected. You are talking about the actual debt ceiling agreement. Vattel Nov 2012 #56
"I am glad the republicans rejected the grand bargain," and ProSense Nov 2012 #62
awesome! Vattel Nov 2012 #72
Don't assume that the President is "on your side" in all this.... YoungDemCA Nov 2012 #66
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