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Safetykitten

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85. Oh dear, the truthiness is starting to come out!

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:42 AM

Nov 2012

Oh my, what is the party line now on the heathcare thingy as it's nightmarish crawl from the insurance pool begins? How do we tell people that this is the best thing since sliced bread? How long can we keep this clusterfuck a secret?

Well not for long now apparently. Things to ponder as our new fuckeded up system of insurance serfdom comes lurching towards us:

What about people stuck in dead end jobs that would like to go to another company but hesitate to because having dismal insurance is better than no insurance.

What are the time frames of people that quit their job and then want to purchase insurance?

Why are companies now limiting part-timers to 28 hours a week only?

What is the waiting period for having Cobra then getting on the new exchange?

Will companies do the math and then abandon all healthcare to employees?

Why are there three classes, and why do people pay so much that have so little?

What surprises do the insurance companies have in the future, because we all know they know how to game the system that they wrote the rules for?

Stay tuned kiddies for a future of it really not making a difference and it would of been better if nothing had been done.

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The Mandated "Bronze" Policy on The Exchange will only cover 60% of the actual Health Care Cost? [View all] bvar22 Nov 2012 OP

Both premiums and out-of-pocket are capped Recursion Nov 2012 #1

For Bronze coverage, the maximum out-of-pocket is $6,350. eomer Nov 2012 #73

You are wrong Schema Thing Nov 2012 #2

If what you say is true, bvar22 Nov 2012 #5

you could try this link leftyohiolib Nov 2012 #12

I did, bvar22 Nov 2012 #21

There's no simple answer to that because B2G Nov 2012 #22

Well then you should be able to post the pertinent table or outline... bvar22 Nov 2012 #25

I've seen no tables, but there's this B2G Nov 2012 #31

Thats premium assistance, and separate from co-pays & deductibles NoOneMan Nov 2012 #41

The Kaiser subsidy calculator is based on the Silver Plan. flpoljunkie Nov 2012 #62

Bvar's quote is very similar to the Kaiser Family Foundation release on this riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #14

Someone should of told the people writing this law that poor people exist NoOneMan Nov 2012 #16

Even "Platinum" leaves room for MAJOR EXPENSES, at 10%! WinkyDink Nov 2012 #3

No, it doesn't. Schema Thing Nov 2012 #26

Have you ever had insurance? There's a lot of confusion about how health insurance works. Politicub Nov 2012 #68

And that there is the swindle NoOneMan Nov 2012 #4

it will shake out to benefit the insurance companies who wrote this legislation lol nt msongs Nov 2012 #7

Insurance is like that. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #6

How is that any better for those barely hangin on? bvar22 Nov 2012 #8

Maybe theyll get a bigger rebate check when they are dead NoOneMan Nov 2012 #10

Read better. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #17

Read better? bvar22 Nov 2012 #28

They are coerced into"'choosing" the only plan they can afford. eridani Nov 2012 #66

A poor person with subsidized coverage is better able to afford primary care. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #75

This is nonsense--the deductible for bronze coverage is far too high eridani Nov 2012 #133

this is the u.s.- we have notoriously bad infrastructure... BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #9

Does that road go over the bridge to nowhere? NoOneMan Nov 2012 #15

LOL n/t Oilwellian Nov 2012 #134

Good post! davekriss Nov 2012 #50

What a ProSense Nov 2012 #11

You aren't refuting the OP. morningfog Nov 2012 #89

Read this, It ain't gonna be cheap. B2G Nov 2012 #13

Ok ProSense. You can make everything crystal clear... bvar22 Nov 2012 #18

Sort it out yourself. You're smart enough ProSense Nov 2012 #19

Premiums are capped, and also subsudized depending on need. bvar22 Nov 2012 #23

Wow! Its a first - usually you are all about educating us about Obama's positions and policies riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #24

"Since you seemed very plugged in to this Admin, I'd be grateful for help in sorting this out. " ProSense Nov 2012 #29

Tried. Can't find it. So you won't help us out here with a table or graph? riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #32

There is no table. None exists. B2G Nov 2012 #34

Well ProSense says I just have to "try harder" to find it. riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #37

Try harder. n/t ProSense Nov 2012 #35

Or you could just provide it? Why are you being so coy about THIS? riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #40

I'm still ProSense Nov 2012 #45

Gee, you were all over THIS thread and many others today with LOTS of helpful links riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #48

Celebrating a political touchdown is more important than understanding it NoOneMan Nov 2012 #57

The pom-poms are at the cleaners. Safetykitten Nov 2012 #88

Yeah, the ProSense Nov 2012 #101

THey don't know where the information is or it doesn't exist. I have never morningfog Nov 2012 #81

"I have never seen ProSense not jump at the chance to cite a claim." ProSense Nov 2012 #100

I found the answer, from a link you provided: morningfog Nov 2012 #103

I provided no link, and ProSense Nov 2012 #104

You provided a link upthread morningfog Nov 2012 #106

How is it nonsense? morningfog Nov 2012 #109

"relatively low, $700 per month." Good lord. (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2012 #36

That's about a third of what my parents pay democrattotheend Nov 2012 #80

And it's seventeen times what I pay. (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2012 #96

We're fucked n/t leftstreet Nov 2012 #20

Double fucked, six ways to Sunday if Autumn Nov 2012 #27

"if that's true." ProSense Nov 2012 #30

You know, bvar22 Nov 2012 #39

+ 100000000000000000 B2G Nov 2012 #43

You're right ProSense Nov 2012 #47

LOL bahrbearian Nov 2012 #49

That would be such a compelling rebuttal rudycantfail Nov 2012 #72

+ 10000000000 CrawlingChaos Nov 2012 #116

Some words are funny aren't they Autumn Nov 2012 #58

Thats exactly where I'm at... bvar22 Nov 2012 #33

There will be ProSense Nov 2012 #38

...so you ARE unable to post ANY credible and sourced information... bvar22 Nov 2012 #42

Unwilling. ProSense Nov 2012 #46

Wow...so you're proving bvar is correct leftstreet Nov 2012 #51

Very interesting. morningfog Nov 2012 #82

Yep. 99Forever Nov 2012 #53

"The denial is strong in that one." ProSense Nov 2012 #54

Working Class people, bvar22 Nov 2012 #61

How utterly ProSense Nov 2012 #70

Then educate us. 99Forever Nov 2012 #64

"Educate us"? ProSense Nov 2012 #71

Reminds me of an especially.. 99Forever Nov 2012 #79

Believe it! ToxMarz Nov 2012 #65

There will undoubtedly be "gap" coverage plans that will spring up. SoCalDem Nov 2012 #44

Here's an apparently thorough exploration from U.S. News and World Report Small Accumulates Nov 2012 #52

Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #55

Thanks! n/t Small Accumulates Nov 2012 #56

This may be of some assistance The Straight Story Nov 2012 #59

Reccing not only for critical info about the ongoing screwing of the masses through faux "reform," woo me with science Nov 2012 #60

Agree Safetykitten Nov 2012 #86

nailed green for victory Nov 2012 #93

Mmm, Eddie. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #94

Some of what I have been reading (see earlier post ^^^ above) The Straight Story Nov 2012 #63

Because insurance holders will take advantage of vastly discounted rates Politicub Nov 2012 #67

And you won't pay a dime for preventative care. America is going to become Politicub Nov 2012 #69

Considering my monthly premium would be about $350 (after the tax credit)... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #83

I'm not sure if you have access to care today, but this law will Politicub Nov 2012 #107

Access to "insurance" and access to "health care" are... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #108

To paraphrase Dolly Parton: Do climb off your cross Politicub Nov 2012 #110

Wow, you told me. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #111

We all want universal healthcare at the end of the day Politicub Nov 2012 #114

Wow. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #129

Enjoy the cider! Politicub Nov 2012 #130

Bronze 1 & 2 single coverage deductibles = $4,375 - $3,475 WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #74

^ Important Post ^ Skip Intro Nov 2012 #77

Yeah, I just played around with the calculator. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #78

Oh dear, the truthiness is starting to come out! Safetykitten Nov 2012 #85

It's a big fucking gamble... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #87

People are expendable. See other thread on over age 50 unemployable myth. Safetykitten Nov 2012 #90

That about sums it up. woo me with science Nov 2012 #97

And Republican-controlled North Carolina wants to reduce unemployment benefits... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #99

Have we had enough yet, America? nt woo me with science Nov 2012 #91

What? You mean the magic beans aren't really magic? nt Skip Intro Nov 2012 #76

I hate all this stuff there should just be one awesome health care for all limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #84

We are seeing the fruits of this nightmare right now. Safetykitten Nov 2012 #92

It is what it is... davidn3600 Nov 2012 #95

Good Point there...and the confusion will take time to sort out so we may KoKo Nov 2012 #98

IF there are still significant numbers of medical bankruptcies kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #102

maybe this site will help mercuryblues Nov 2012 #105

That covers "Premiums" paid to the Insurance Companies for the mandated policies on The Exchange. bvar22 Nov 2012 #112

you're right mercuryblues Nov 2012 #115

That won't make any difference to those barely hanging on. bvar22 Nov 2012 #117

Again, you're right mercuryblues Nov 2012 #127

I don't see how anyone can be happy for people who can't afford decent insurance OneTenthofOnePercent Nov 2012 #113

Out-of-pocket caps will help put the brakes on higher health plan costs ProSense Nov 2012 #118

If this information is correct, bvar22 Nov 2012 #119

It's easy to find, and ProSense Nov 2012 #120

If it is so easy to find, bvar22 Nov 2012 #121

Oh, it was ProSense Nov 2012 #122

That only applies to Exchange offerings leftstreet Nov 2012 #123

Know the law: ProSense Nov 2012 #124

...and where are the fed cost caps? leftstreet Nov 2012 #125

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. n/t ProSense Nov 2012 #126

What If... stuckinodi Nov 2012 #128

Unfortunately the ACA was written assuming you'd be covered by Medicaid. If a state doesn't opt in PoliticAverse Nov 2012 #131

Gee, if only someone had, what do you call it, predicted this way back then. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #132

this health care plan is such a hodge-podge, no doubt because of horse-dealing in its passage. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #135