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69. I think he did worse than most people realize

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:03 AM

Nov 2012

He didn't have to cave in to them. He held the trump card, the Bush tax cuts were gonna expire. Republicans absolutely did not want to see that happen.

Obama had an option to fight. To stand up and say "this is what Democrats stand for."

Instead he stood up and said "Republicans are right."

Republicans have always said

1. tax cuts create jobs
2. tax cuts for the rich are really middle class tax cuts
3. tax cuts are always good
4. tax increases are always bad

In waving the white flag, Obama basically said "I agree with Republicans about that."

It was kinda funny during the campaign when Romney got blasted for saying that the middle class is "people making $250,000 or less". Funny because he was getting slammed for agreeing with what Obama has been saying for four years.

Not funny though, because we apparently turn around and accept it from Obama. If it was wrong when Romney said it then it should be just as wrong, or more so, when Obama says it.

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the lies of David W, Corn [View all] hfojvt Nov 2012 OP

True, but be ready to be trashed by those who will want you to give him more time, to know that AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #1

This post is anti-Obama gibberish. ProSense Nov 2012 #4

The jets hate President Obama! yortsed snacilbuper Nov 2012 #5

LOL!!! Love your screen-name! It's so FUN to say! patrice Nov 2012 #26

Have you tried reading it backwards yet? Quantess Nov 2012 #37

Yes! & It's TRUE. & Very clever to have noticed how funny it is backwards. patrice Nov 2012 #45

Jet fan appears to be in a bad mood BeyondGeography Nov 2012 #32

someday I may have to admit hfojvt Nov 2012 #93

Nah BeyondGeography Nov 2012 #104

thanks for that hfojvt Nov 2012 #116

Such languge. Rahm, is that you? AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #9

Fuck Rahm, and your response is lame. n/t ProSense Nov 2012 #13

They're letters. & Within limits, too much sturm un drang about them is way more about POWER patrice Nov 2012 #29

Five dimensional checkmate alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #10

Exactly! n/t ProSense Nov 2012 #14

"Checkmate"? Is that equivalent to "Grand Bargain"? Or TPP? We won't have to wait long to find out. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #17

Meh alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #19

checkmate against the majority of Americans hfojvt Nov 2012 #25

You do realize that ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #28

Let 'em. Doremus Nov 2012 #48

I'm glad you're in the position ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #50

gosh. no. I was completely unaware of that hfojvt Nov 2012 #64

Perhaps that has something to do with where you're standing, perspective. Look around you & patrice Nov 2012 #36

so you think hfojvt Nov 2012 #65

How about ignoring the fact that the payroll tax cut idea came from the left? nt geek tragedy Nov 2012 #12

Sorry. I thought that when there are bad ideas, "It's all the Republicans' fault." AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #18

+10000000000000000000 nt LeftyLucy22 Nov 2012 #44

There are those who blame all problems on Obama and give the Republicans NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #96

Only one Senator engaged in an ACTUAL filibuster during the last four years: Bernie Sanders. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #101

Republicans have been filibustering and obstructing by any and all means possible NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #103

Why are you saying that Obama can do no right? Do you need a link to "The List"? AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #106

Obama can do no right in some people's minds. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #107

but in some ways, Republicans SHOULD get a pass hfojvt Nov 2012 #123

No, they should NOT get a pass. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #126

oh bull hfojvt Nov 2012 #127

"Obama has been working his ass off for US" -- you got it, buddy. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #128

but I AM looking at facts hfojvt Nov 2012 #130

If you look at it in reverse, it was an absolutely amazing feet. fasttense Nov 2012 #2

Actually, Obama had to raise taxes on those under 250k to do what you claim is "nothing". JoePhilly Nov 2012 #34

He promised "no new taxes" on those making under 250k? And he kept that promise? Did you notice that AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #49

Bullsh!t Argument Alert ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #56

You can't handle the truth. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #57

Rightwing Talking Points are not ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #79

+1 JoePhilly Nov 2012 #81

The words in the Obama Administration's brief speak for themselves and are not RW talking points. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #97

The truth is that the Obama Administration said that the individual mandate is constitutional AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #99

Okay n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #100

That's the best you can come up with? JoePhilly Nov 2012 #80

several things are wrong with that hfojvt Nov 2012 #82

Let's take those in order. JoePhilly Nov 2012 #84

you, sir, are out of order hfojvt Nov 2012 #88

Again ... in order. JoePhilly Nov 2012 #113

so, according to you, Bush was one of the greatest Democratic Presidents ever. hfojvt Nov 2012 #115

This is a disgusting attack on Corn. ProSense Nov 2012 #3

I thought Corn's piece was a disgusting attack on progressives hfojvt Nov 2012 #20

Prosense ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #30

Corn spoke while on The Cape once. The Doctor. Nov 2012 #6

Yes, it did. N/T 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #31

??????? Why not? Seems pretty clear to me. What don't I get? nt patrice Nov 2012 #39

"The media follows the money" explains a whole lot Quantess Nov 2012 #41

David Corn is always a mixed bag. KoKo Nov 2012 #7

K&R woo me with science Nov 2012 #8

Nouriel Roubini: What America Needs is a Payroll Tax Cut geek tragedy Nov 2012 #11

well, getting "stuff" done hfojvt Nov 2012 #21

You have no idea who Roubini is and think he's a rightwinger? geek tragedy Nov 2012 #22

oh, excuuuuse me hfojvt Nov 2012 #24

That was a real 'tell'. It invalidates whatever wandering point the OP was trying to make. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #98

somebody once said hfojvt Nov 2012 #124

DURec leftstreet Nov 2012 #15

As my father would say...you have to take the bitter with the better. lapislzi Nov 2012 #16

I would say, as a working man hfojvt Nov 2012 #23

I so tire of reading this ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #40

+1google! patrice Nov 2012 #43

Thank You! Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #51

yeah,the funny part is hfojvt Nov 2012 #61

+1! uponit7771 Nov 2012 #74

What a wonderful intellect you have Floyd_Gondolli Nov 2012 #58

Welcome to my ignore list. lapislzi Nov 2012 #108

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #118

Are you trying to be disruptive? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #131

Could you find a way to make your point and be more appealing? Cary Nov 2012 #27

which part is ugly? hfojvt Nov 2012 #59

Gee, I don't know Cary Nov 2012 #78

so it's not ugly to call somebody an a$$hole? hfojvt Nov 2012 #83

Actually I didn't call anyone in particular an asshole Cary Nov 2012 #87

right, sure hfojvt Nov 2012 #89

I've explained it to you. Cary Nov 2012 #91

just because you don't want to explain hfojvt Nov 2012 #94

I don't know you. Cary Nov 2012 #102

some "orginal posts" are just to insanely stupid to respond to..... chillfactor Nov 2012 #33

which part didn't you understand? hfojvt Nov 2012 #60

Insanely stupid is accusing President Obama of embracing Reaganomics. bornskeptic Nov 2012 #77

sometimes I have to wonder hfojvt Nov 2012 #85

What are you doing to help President Obama fight for you? liberalmuse Nov 2012 #35

Why is it beyond the pale to call Corn a liar hfojvt Nov 2012 #67

LOL, the 1st post in the attempt to suppress liberal voting in the 2014 mid term elections. FSogol Nov 2012 #38

They work to defeat themselves & then wonder why we don't trust them. In a word, Fascism, wearing patrice Nov 2012 #42

I hadn't figured on that but now that you mention it... Cary Nov 2012 #53

Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #55

I guess I deserve that hfojvt Nov 2012 #68

interesting read. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #46

Careful, your sour grapes are showing. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #47

it's true hfojvt Nov 2012 #70

You neglect to mention that UE benefits were extended as part of that deal as well. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #86

as I mentioned in my OP hfojvt Nov 2012 #90

I don't think it's possible he could "care less about you than I do". Not even remotely. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #110

The Jets suck Floyd_Gondolli Nov 2012 #52

but when you are a Jet hfojvt Nov 2012 #63

Like Fireman Ed Floyd_Gondolli Nov 2012 #117

Sorry...but I really have to go along with the fact that THE JETS SUCK !!!!! RagAss Nov 2012 #54

the Jets do suck hfojvt Nov 2012 #62

I thought Corn wrote a pretty good article. pnwmom Nov 2012 #66

I think he did worse than most people realize hfojvt Nov 2012 #69

I think it was critical that he get the extension on unemployment benefits. pnwmom Nov 2012 #71

as I mentioned in my OP hfojvt Nov 2012 #72

How do you know the other extensions were passed with no incentive? We've never pnwmom Nov 2012 #73

point taken hfojvt Nov 2012 #75

Those two Maine Senators lined up with us at great cost to them in their party. pnwmom Nov 2012 #114

Yes. This is not 2010. treestar Nov 2012 #122

What is your point? ann--- Nov 2012 #76

pretty simple actually hfojvt Nov 2012 #92

It's a silly point. ProSense Nov 2012 #105

all I know is that I donated and voted for a Democratic President hfojvt Nov 2012 #111

Very logical. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #109

There are times we really need unrec for the same old rehashed BS. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #95

I'm with you there hfojvt Nov 2012 #112

I kinda liked him & did n't know he was FIRED from the Nation... kooljerk666 Nov 2012 #119

Thank you for your concern. Your comments will be carefully considered. JPZenger Nov 2012 #120

many people are surviving in those metro areas hfojvt Nov 2012 #125

You seem to disagree on some fiscal issues treestar Nov 2012 #121

shall i fetch a fresh pamper from the hamper? dionysus Nov 2012 #129