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MadameButterfly

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36. We want a baseline of survival out of humanity but
Fri May 10, 2024, 08:49 PM
May 10

if compassion doesn't come easily to the other side, it can be argued that the economy does better and everyone gets richer if this baseline is applied. UBI really is profitable for everyone if the ripple effects are considered. If that's too hard a sell, Universal Healthcare and public education beyond high school are a start. Below that is Head Start, food stamps, child tax credit, etc. They all pay off in the end--for everybody.

But when insecure workers unsatisfied with their lives are afraid of someone else getting something free, they can't even wrap their minds around the equation. Often they don't even notice that they are the recipients of these "free" things. They rail against Social Security even while they receive it, socialized medicine until it saves their life. Their lives are filled with social media lies and hate speech. They are fed by leaders who know better, but for whom the cruelty is the point.

We won't win with just political arguments because they aren't listening to logic. This is deeply emotional. Until we find a way to give these people the hope, dignity, and emotional peace they want deep down, they'll take it out on others. I think this is why Bernie made more inroads into some right wing crowds than more moderate Democrats, despite his more extreme policies. But it will take more. Bernie's love, respect, honesty, plain-spokenness, but something else that we haven't seen yet. I'm watching for it in the enormous talent the is coming into the ranks.

Houston, we have a problem. [View all] onecaliberal May 10 OP
I guess I wonder what the "problem" is TexasDem69 May 10 #1
HMMM, what could be corrected to allievate this situation? FHRRK May 10 #3
Educate me TexasDem69 May 10 #7
End corporate welfare in the form MadameButterfly May 10 #8
Awesome post. Thank you! dmr May 10 #19
Thanks! MadameButterfly May 10 #21
Super excellent list. Problem is... Justice matters. May 10 #46
Almost impossible and almost true MadameButterfly May 10 #54
I admire your measured optimism. It's what we need more than anything these days . . . Journeyman May 11 #63
a perfect brilliant common sense quote for a time of fake news, cult worship, and pessimism MadameButterfly May 11 #75
Excellent post. Thanks. c-rational May 10 #51
Just so you know. Brenda May 11 #64
Yes, agreed MadameButterfly May 11 #79
How does net neutrality fit into this? onenote May 11 #66
If service is faster or better for the rich or other priveledged people MadameButterfly May 11 #77
Compliments 90-percent May 11 #68
The problem isn't that we have "tax breaks and loopholes." jmowreader May 11 #69
Some deductions are good and created for the good of society MadameButterfly May 11 #76
Progressive taxation, which we had until Reagan. mjvpi May 10 #10
But the wealth is generally not taxable under current code. erronis May 10 #12
So we need to restructure the tax code so they can't do that MadameButterfly May 10 #16
Warren's wealth tax would barely cover a months worth of our annual Deficit, much less do anything about Debt or Silent Type May 10 #31
The solution is a Financial Transaction Tax - read Ellen Browns article below to understand it. airplaneman May 10 #57
Fascinating MadameButterfly May 10 #59
Would love for us to find a tax that would pay for everything. But Brookings says a 0.1% FTT would raise $80 B Silent Type May 12 #85
You need to read Ellen Brown article I cited she is very clear airplaneman May 12 #87
I'll trust Brookings and the Congressional Budget Office. Silent Type May 12 #88
I'm just trying to share information here. The Brookings article is talking about FTT on Stock Trades only airplaneman May 12 #89
Info and other viewpoints are fine. If there is some relatively painless magical way to fund our needs, I'm all for it. Silent Type May 12 #90
And until they sell their assets (and pay capital gains tax) that wealth is paper value. brooklynite May 10 #47
Not really so for assets with quite liquid markets. unblock May 10 #53
Majority rule would also help MadameButterfly May 10 #17
Great posts bdamomma May 10 #49
All either impossible TexasDem69 May 11 #73
Beware minority rule MadameButterfly May 11 #78
Income tax policy to at least stop the flow, keeping the imbalance from getting worse. paleotn May 10 #20
We need to win the presidency and reform the Supreme Court MadameButterfly May 10 #34
Thanks for being willing to accept higher taxes MadameButterfly May 10 #35
With all due respect, that's your job. Joinfortmill May 11 #72
Really? Anyway, Piketty recommends ... Dave says May 10 #30
The solution is, they need to pay the same taxes Meadowoak May 10 #45
With that kind of money, they can control the message by buying ... aggiesal May 10 #50
We've needed trustbusting for a long time, especially in media MadameButterfly May 10 #55
They already did that. live love laugh May 11 #61
Did you forget your sarcasm emoticon? happy feet May 11 #62
The problem is the bottom 50% clearly control too much wealth.... getagrip_already May 11 #82
Starts with a T. Ends with an S kcr May 11 #83
Kickin' Faux pas May 10 #2
Obvious, nocoincidences May 10 #4
Only if you are on a high fat, low fiber diet. erronis May 10 #13
California rich people. They're the lean and free of nasty chemicals. paleotn May 10 #22
CA has money woes. SleeplessinSoCal May 10 #25
Just you wait.. Permanut May 10 #5
Sure it will; second Tuesday of next week. onecaliberal May 10 #6
Is that anything like getting pissed on? paleotn May 10 #23
I've been saying serious for years and it's gotten worse. It's unsustainable. It won't last. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 10 #9
It could easily last under a Drumph election Evolve Dammit May 10 #15
100% Wealth Tax on Estate Amounts Over $10 million. DJ Synikus Makisimus May 10 #11
But that is the rule, surely? Aussie105 May 10 #14
There are several changes we could make in this country slightlv May 10 #18
We want a baseline of survival out of humanity but MadameButterfly May 10 #36
I agree with you Madame... slightlv May 10 #52
Yes, I've had fantasies of the country splitting into two so we could MadameButterfly May 10 #56
Yes on all points:. The problem is republicans. onecaliberal May 12 #84
This was the goal for Constitutional Originalists. SleeplessinSoCal May 10 #24
alito and roberts are determined to take us back to the 1800s onecaliberal May 10 #26
next generation won't know we once had a healthy middle class. SleeplessinSoCal May 10 #27
I never voted for a recon. My dad was a WWII Veteran. onecaliberal May 10 #33
If we cut rich people's taxes more Johonny May 10 #28
What percentage of the 800 are REPUBLICANS? live love laugh May 10 #29
My guess MadameButterfly May 10 #37
If that's true, people would see that as a political advantage for them. Renew Deal May 10 #41
They do. onecaliberal May 10 #44
Mine too. At least 90%. live love laugh May 11 #60
The dangers of Oligarchy MadameButterfly May 11 #74
I wonder the very same things. live love laugh May 11 #80
This might be a stretch but, Mr. Evil May 10 #32
That's the short plot line of "Don't Look Up" and also of the "Left Behind" series. erronis May 10 #39
the problem is capitalism Be The Light May 10 #38
Unfettered and unregulated capitalism. erronis May 10 #40
K&R onecaliberal May 10 #43
The American Dream....Capitalist version. Ping Tung May 10 #42
Rutger Bregman, Dutch historian said it at Davos 2019: PAY YOUR TAXES appalachiablue May 10 #48
So true. And I've talked with people that object to higher-end tax rates with the same logic as lower-end tax rates. byronius May 10 #58
Also check out this series in Propublica that outline how the wealthy hide money and avoid taxes erronis May 11 #65
Post ww2 90-percent May 11 #67
My horrifying hope 90-percent May 11 #70
Yup, tax these M*fuckers. Joinfortmill May 11 #71
Organized - Billionaires gather yearly at a finance conference SupportSanity May 11 #81
Frankly and honestly, I thought the proportions would be worse. BobTheSubgenius May 12 #86
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