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In reply to the discussion: NETANYAHU'S WAR ON TRUTH Israel's Ruthless Propaganda Campaign to Dehumanize Palestinians [View all]Celerity
(53,484 posts)66. the ultra RW fascist Israelis use it and have used it for over 100 years
From Likud (and other smaller radical RW parties) all the way back to the early 20th century Revisionist Zionists led by Ze'ev Jabotinsky, there has been constant advocation for taking all of what they call Eretz Israel, using a 'from the river to the sea' motif.
It is hypocrisy for people to only come down hard on one side and not the other for using that motif, as you have millions of displaced Palestinians since 1947/48, whilst the Jewish Israelis continue to grow in number and Israel, as official state policy, has been illegally grabbing West Bank land and ethnically cleansing it of the Palestinians for ages.
......the election manifesto of the Israeli political party Likud, which stated that between the sea and the Jordan there will be only Israeli sovereignty.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea#History_of_the_phrase
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...................According to American historian Robin D. G. Kelley, the phrase "began as a Zionist slogan signifying the boundaries of Eretz Israel." Israeli-American historian Omer Bartov notes that Zionist usage of such language predates the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 and began with the Revisionist movement of Zionism led by Vladimir Jabotinski, which spoke of establishing a Jewish state in all of Palestine and had a song with the slogan: "The Jordan has two banks; this one is ours, and the other one too," suggesting a Jewish state extending even beyond the Jordan River.
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...................According to American historian Robin D. G. Kelley, the phrase "began as a Zionist slogan signifying the boundaries of Eretz Israel." Israeli-American historian Omer Bartov notes that Zionist usage of such language predates the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 and began with the Revisionist movement of Zionism led by Vladimir Jabotinski, which spoke of establishing a Jewish state in all of Palestine and had a song with the slogan: "The Jordan has two banks; this one is ours, and the other one too," suggesting a Jewish state extending even beyond the Jordan River.
Revisionist Zionism
Revisionist Zionism is a form of Zionism characterized by territorial maximalism. Revisionist Zionism promoted expansionism and the establishment of a Jewish majority on both sides of the Jordan River.
Developed by Ze'ev Jabotinsky, this ideology advocated a "revision" of the "practical Zionism" of David Ben-Gurion and Chaim Weizmann which was focused on the settling of Eretz Yisrael (Land of Israel) by independent individuals. Differing from other types of Zionism, Revisionists insisted upon the Jewish right to sovereignty over the whole of Eretz Yisrael, which they equated to Mandatory Palestine and Transjordan. It was the chief ideological competitor to the dominant socialist Labor Zionism.
Revisionist Zionism directly opposed Labor Zionism within the general Zionist movement. Revisionist Zionism had its own paramilitary group called the Irgun, out of which another organization known as the Stern Gang emerged. Both the Irgun and the Stern Gang were responsible for several attacks against the British to try to expel them from Palestine.
Revisionist Zionism is a form of Zionism characterized by territorial maximalism. Revisionist Zionism promoted expansionism and the establishment of a Jewish majority on both sides of the Jordan River.
Developed by Ze'ev Jabotinsky, this ideology advocated a "revision" of the "practical Zionism" of David Ben-Gurion and Chaim Weizmann which was focused on the settling of Eretz Yisrael (Land of Israel) by independent individuals. Differing from other types of Zionism, Revisionists insisted upon the Jewish right to sovereignty over the whole of Eretz Yisrael, which they equated to Mandatory Palestine and Transjordan. It was the chief ideological competitor to the dominant socialist Labor Zionism.
Revisionist Zionism directly opposed Labor Zionism within the general Zionist movement. Revisionist Zionism had its own paramilitary group called the Irgun, out of which another organization known as the Stern Gang emerged. Both the Irgun and the Stern Gang were responsible for several attacks against the British to try to expel them from Palestine.
The Irgun terrorist organisation eventually morphed into today's RW, racist, fascist Likud Party of Netanyahu and his ilk.
Menachem Begin, the leader of the Irgun, was the founder of Likud and the sixth Prime Minister of Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
The Irgun (Hebrew: ארגון; full title: Hebrew: הארגון הצבאי הלאומי בארץ ישראל Hā-ʾIrgun Ha-Tzvaʾī Ha-Leūmī b-Ērētz Yiśrāʾel, lit. "The National Military Organization in the Land of Israel" ), or Etzel (Hebrew: אצ"ל ) (sometimes abbreviated IZL), was a Zionist paramilitary organization that operated in Mandate Palestine and then Israel between 1931 and 1948. It was an offshoot of the older and larger Jewish paramilitary organization Haganah (Hebrew: Hebrew: הגנה, Defence).
The Irgun has been viewed as a terrorist organization or organization which carried out terrorist acts. The Irgun policy was based on what was then called Revisionist Zionism founded by Ze'ev Jabotinsky. According to Howard Sachar, "The policy of the new organization was based squarely on Jabotinsky's teachings: every Jew had the right to enter Palestine; only active retaliation would deter the Arabs; only Jewish armed force would ensure the Jewish state".
The organization committed acts of terrorism against the British, whom it regarded as illegal occupiers, and against Arabs. In particular the Irgun was described as a terrorist organization by the United Nations, British, and United States governments; in media such as The New York Times newspaper; as well as by the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, the 1946 Zionist Congress and the Jewish Agency. However, academics such as Bruce Hoffman and Max Abrahms have written that the Irgun went to considerable lengths to avoid harming civilians, such as issuing pre-attack warnings; according to Hoffman, Irgun leadership urged "targeting the physical manifestations of British rule while avoiding the deliberate infliction of bloodshed."
Irgun's tactics appealed to many Jews who believed that any action taken in the cause of the creation of a Jewish state was justified, including terrorism. Irgun members were absorbed into the Israel Defense Forces at the start of the 1948 ArabIsraeli war. The Irgun was a political predecessor to Israel's right-wing Herut (or "Freedom" ) party, which led to today's Likud party. Likud has led or been part of most Israeli governments since 1977.
Menachem Begin, the leader of the Irgun, was the founder of Likud and the sixth Prime Minister of Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
The Irgun (Hebrew: ארגון; full title: Hebrew: הארגון הצבאי הלאומי בארץ ישראל Hā-ʾIrgun Ha-Tzvaʾī Ha-Leūmī b-Ērētz Yiśrāʾel, lit. "The National Military Organization in the Land of Israel" ), or Etzel (Hebrew: אצ"ל ) (sometimes abbreviated IZL), was a Zionist paramilitary organization that operated in Mandate Palestine and then Israel between 1931 and 1948. It was an offshoot of the older and larger Jewish paramilitary organization Haganah (Hebrew: Hebrew: הגנה, Defence).
The Irgun has been viewed as a terrorist organization or organization which carried out terrorist acts. The Irgun policy was based on what was then called Revisionist Zionism founded by Ze'ev Jabotinsky. According to Howard Sachar, "The policy of the new organization was based squarely on Jabotinsky's teachings: every Jew had the right to enter Palestine; only active retaliation would deter the Arabs; only Jewish armed force would ensure the Jewish state".
Two of the operations for which the Irgun is best known are the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946 and the Deir Yassin massacre that killed at least 107 Palestinian Arab villagers, including women and children, carried out together with Lehi on 9 April 1948.

King David Hotel bombing. 91 people of various nationalities were killed, including Arabs, Britons and Jews, and 46 were injured.

King David Hotel bombing. 91 people of various nationalities were killed, including Arabs, Britons and Jews, and 46 were injured.
The organization committed acts of terrorism against the British, whom it regarded as illegal occupiers, and against Arabs. In particular the Irgun was described as a terrorist organization by the United Nations, British, and United States governments; in media such as The New York Times newspaper; as well as by the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, the 1946 Zionist Congress and the Jewish Agency. However, academics such as Bruce Hoffman and Max Abrahms have written that the Irgun went to considerable lengths to avoid harming civilians, such as issuing pre-attack warnings; according to Hoffman, Irgun leadership urged "targeting the physical manifestations of British rule while avoiding the deliberate infliction of bloodshed."
Albert Einstein, in a letter to The New York Times in 1948, compared Irgun and its successor Herut party to "Nazi and Fascist parties" and described it as a "terrorist, right wing, chauvinist organization".
Irgun's tactics appealed to many Jews who believed that any action taken in the cause of the creation of a Jewish state was justified, including terrorism. Irgun members were absorbed into the Israel Defense Forces at the start of the 1948 ArabIsraeli war. The Irgun was a political predecessor to Israel's right-wing Herut (or "Freedom" ) party, which led to today's Likud party. Likud has led or been part of most Israeli governments since 1977.
The Revisionists, Fascism and Mussolini
Italy and Mussolini were a source of ideological, historical and cultural inspiration for the Zionist Revisionists of the 1920s and 1930s. From the early 1930s onwards Jabotinsky believed that the United Kingdom could no longer be trusted to advance the Zionist cause and that Italy, as a growing power capable of challenging Britain for dominance in the region, was a natural ally.
Jabotinsky set up the Betar Naval Academy, a Zionist naval training school established in Civitavecchia, Italy in 1934 with the agreement of Benito Mussolini.
Italy and Mussolini were a source of ideological, historical and cultural inspiration for the Zionist Revisionists of the 1920s and 1930s. From the early 1930s onwards Jabotinsky believed that the United Kingdom could no longer be trusted to advance the Zionist cause and that Italy, as a growing power capable of challenging Britain for dominance in the region, was a natural ally.
Jabotinsky set up the Betar Naval Academy, a Zionist naval training school established in Civitavecchia, Italy in 1934 with the agreement of Benito Mussolini.
That all gave birth to things like this:


During the ceremony, Smotrich spoke from behind a lectern decorated with a map that included not only the Jewish state and the occupied Palestinian territories but also the territory of present-day Jordan: the Greater Israel area for the proponents of an expansionist ideology.


https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/03/20/bezalel-smotrich-israeli-ultra-nationalist-minister-delivers-anti-palestinian-diatribe-in-paris_6020081_4.html
https://archive.ph/TVsfb
The Israeli ultranationalist Bezalel Smotrich, the finance minister in Netanyahu's government and open Jewish supremacist, participated on Sunday, March 19, in a gala evening in Paris, organized by "Israel is Forever," a French Jewish association close to the far right.
Although it had been announced 10 days beforehand, Smotrich's arrival on the banks of the Seine was a surprise. In the middle of the previous week, following protests from pro-Palestinian movements and human rights organizations, Israeli media reported that the 43-year-old leader of the Religious Zionist Party had given up on the trip.
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He gave a speech in which he urged French Jews to settle in Israel, a common call from Israeli leaders visiting France. But Smotrich (who recently called for the Palestinian village of Huwara in the West Bank to be "wiped out" in retaliation for the murder of two Jewish settlers) also made remarks full of contempt for the Palestinians.
"Do you know who the Palestinians are?" Smotrich asked at the start of his diatribe, which was streamed live on Facebook. "I am Palestinian," he replied to the cheers of the audience, about 100 people, judging by the images on Facebook. "My grandfather, a 13th-generation Jerusalemite, was Palestinian. The Palestinian people are an invention of less than a hundred years. Do they have a history, a culture? No, they do not. There are no Palestinians, there are just Arabs."
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NETANYAHU'S WAR ON TRUTH Israel's Ruthless Propaganda Campaign to Dehumanize Palestinians [View all]
TeamProg
May 2024
OP
"Eliminate Israel's Palestinian Problem once and for all"? Understand that I was brought up to admire the Jewish.....
MMBeilis
May 2024
#1
So it's a 'small war'. That makes it okay to commit war crimes? Clearly the IDF who are not yet deemed a 'terrorist
TeamProg
May 2024
#21
Not at all. Netanyahu is more aligned with Putin and Trump than Biden. Thanks for playing though!
TeamProg
May 2024
#34
Nothing I said was false. Your article confirms what I said about WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
SunSeeker
May 2024
#44
The right wingers keeping Bibi in power have publicly stated they want to start Israeli settlements in Gaza
dutch777
May 2024
#7
I knew it was The Intercept or Jacobin before clicking. Propaganda -- I know there's a effort to
betsuni
May 2024
#6
Who does this sound like? "It's all propaganda aginst me", "I am a victim" , "It's a witch hunt", "They're trying
TeamProg
May 2024
#22
Well in this instance, the person screaming about propaganda is the Intercept's Jeremy Scahill.
SunSeeker
May 2024
#39
Nope, follow the thread. I was referring to the post : "The Intercept is itself a propaganda outfit."
TeamProg
May 2024
#57
"Whitewash" has many degrees. Defining whitewash as propaganda is also propaganda, yes?
TeamProg
May 2024
#59
The Intercept arguing that Hamas DIDN'T actually rape all those women isn't convincing to you?
NickB79
May 2024
#61
Ha ha ha. There it is! It is NOT anti-Semitic to attack Netanyahu's plans of ethnic cleansin
TeamProg
May 2024
#67
Odd that you would object to me using the word propaganda, but not to Jeremy Scahill's use. nt
SunSeeker
May 2024
#60
Textbook ethnic cleansing is what Palestinians did in Gaza to Jews and Christians.
SunSeeker
May 2024
#41
BS. As your article notes, the Israelis agreed to move them in the face of Palestinian threats of desecration.
SunSeeker
May 2024
#53
The families didn't want to. They argued with Israeli government. You forgot to quote the Israeli govt
Nanjeanne
May 2024
#71
They couldn't leave the graves there because the Palestinians would desecrate the graves.
SunSeeker
May 2024
#72
It is an interesting discussion in light of the mass grave desecration and grave robbing by Israel's army.
David__77
May 2024
#75
Interesting how prejudice can color everything but I guess it's easier for some to sleep at night. Sad too.
Nanjeanne
May 2024
#77