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Ocelot II

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1. His moral failings are well-known. The key witnesses in most white-collar crime prosecutions

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Mon May 20, 2024, 11:02 AM

May 2024

are other criminals. Prosecutors are very familiar with how to manage criminals who testify against other criminals.

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So michael cohen just admitted under oath that he stole money from the trump organization [View all] mucifer May 2024 OP

His moral failings are well-known. The key witnesses in most white-collar crime prosecutions Ocelot II May 2024 #1

Yes Johnny2X2X May 2024 #2

No, he isn't. He's been very effective. The prosecutors know exactly what and who Ocelot II May 2024 #5

He has been a total disaster for the prosecution Johnny2X2X May 2024 #9

That does not seem to be the consensus of most legal experts. Ocelot II May 2024 #10

A lot of litigators would argue that the prosecution should have brought this up and dealt with it on direct onenote May 2024 #24

Even seasoned prosecutors are not watching the trials. Hardly anybody is. jimfields33 May 2024 #52

lol Torchlight May 2024 #64

Oh good. jimfields33 May 2024 #67

Cohen has been an outstanding witness. Irish_Dem May 2024 #26

Hope you're right Johnny2X2X May 2024 #29

Criminals hang out with other criminals. Irish_Dem May 2024 #42

Examples? MorbidButterflyTat May 2024 #51

I think the average juror there EndlessWire May 2024 #79

The prosecutors have all the receipts. usedtobedemgurl May 2024 #93

You know what? I think the biggest danger here is that any MAGAts on the jury will decline Scrivener7 May 2024 #89

Good point. Irish_Dem May 2024 #90

Cohen must be The Bopper May 2024 #85

You keep saying that unc70 May 2024 #6

No he won't be. At best a hung jury. But not likely either. LiberalFighter May 2024 #15

How much evidence is there that doesn't involve Michael Cohen? Johnny2X2X May 2024 #19

It was also confirmed by others that had direct connection LiberalFighter May 2024 #23

So that's what they're banking on? Johnny2X2X May 2024 #25

They confirm details about the documents, dates, and other details.. LiberalFighter May 2024 #54

Plenty of other witnesses, Cohen is just one of many. Irish_Dem May 2024 #27

I hope so Johnny2X2X May 2024 #30

It has only been a few days. I think day four and the defense ended cross. LiberalFighter May 2024 #38

Phew Johnny2X2X May 2024 #39

I'm sure the prosecution is ready. LiberalFighter May 2024 #41

Yes, I'm sure they're ready. ShazzieB May 2024 #81

Prosecution always does clean up during re-direct. Irish_Dem May 2024 #46

Other witnesses testified for days too. Irish_Dem May 2024 #43

Who are the ther witnesses? We've had three people take the stand in the entire trial: jimfields33 May 2024 #53

Simply not true. The prosecution called 19 witnesses. Irish_Dem May 2024 #57

Holy cow. It's a shame it is not on tv. jimfields33 May 2024 #66

The jury has been very attentive and taking notes. Irish_Dem May 2024 #69

Thank God there are not 12 of me. jimfields33 May 2024 #71

Your mind might be focused if the eyes of the world were upon you. Irish_Dem May 2024 #72

If you or I were sitting in the coourtroom day after day, we would remember a lot more than we do jow. ShazzieB May 2024 #82

That's true. jimfields33 May 2024 #86

Innocent of all MFM008 May 2024 #63

What are the specific criticisms with his testimony Torchlight May 2024 #37

Preach! jimfields33 May 2024 #70

Well... except there's that photo. So... The vile thing is fucked. Scrivener7 May 2024 #88

Big reminder: Michael Cohen is not on trial. Focus is on Trump's crimes. emulatorloo May 2024 #3

Typically a good defense strategy Johonny May 2024 #12

Blanche is not an experienced defense attorney. LiberalFighter May 2024 #17

Good liveblog here, doesn't sound like Blanche is making much headway: emulatorloo May 2024 #44

That's a really good point. Irish_Dem May 2024 #48

I'm Looking Forward To Redirect. (nt) WiVoter May 2024 #18

Redirect starting right now... emulatorloo May 2024 #45

Thanks. Here the exact exchange per NBC underpants May 2024 #55

The trump org is a vipers den of liars and thieves. getagrip_already May 2024 #4

If they look at the facts that were presented LiberalFighter May 2024 #21

Yes. The other witnesses and documentary evidence all tell us Cohen is telling the truth. Irish_Dem May 2024 #49

I don't thing anyone should be surprised ... Tom of Temecula May 2024 #7

trDUMP.COM,... magicarpet May 2024 #16

Exactly. Trump didn't hire Mother Teresa types. Irish_Dem May 2024 #50

Now the defense and Trump will be wallowing in victimhood. Fucking Cohen. Vinca May 2024 #8

Seems like a weird guy to be doing legal work Johonny May 2024 #11

He was never hired to do legal work. He admitted he was hired as a "fixer" Ocelot II May 2024 #13

That was my point Johonny May 2024 #14

And it's part of the proof that calling the reimbursement checks "legal services" Ocelot II May 2024 #31

"Cohen isn't a witness as much ... Whiskeytide May 2024 #59

Sammy the Bull edhopper May 2024 #20

Trump would never hire an honest person Bayard May 2024 #22

Need to tie that in with the Blanche and his other attorneys. Not honest. LiberalFighter May 2024 #40

Cohen is exactly the kind of guy TSF hires. pandr32 May 2024 #28

Cohen's been tainted by association with the Djt circle of dirty characters Jrose May 2024 #32

im not so sure.. i think the public has been able to see/ hear cohen.. samnsara May 2024 #33

Credibility is Questionable Renaissance Man May 2024 #34

good for him bigtree May 2024 #35

Which part of the prosecution's case does this actually unravel? unblock May 2024 #36

Nothing. Exactly nothing. This whole case is paper. They have all receipts. Including the crime budget on paper. onecaliberal May 2024 #61

Why is it not good? MorbidButterflyTat May 2024 #47

Well for one thing listening to liberal talk radio mucifer May 2024 #56

And....? So....? Did we not know this years ago? Does it mean rump's innocent? MorbidButterflyTat May 2024 #91

shithole stole from his so-called charities........................... Lovie777 May 2024 #58

Who among the *rump organization without sin, cast the first stone. marble falls May 2024 #60

Defense coming across as rather incompetent this morning. Torchlight May 2024 #62

Interpret. jimfields33 May 2024 #68

And? obamanut2012 May 2024 #65

So Trump paid his bills with bags of cash crazylikafox May 2024 #73

3 different radio station news including NPR mucifer May 2024 #74

I've been listening to NPR this morning and they were reporting pretty exhaustively Torchlight May 2024 #75

Not the brief synopsis of the news during other programs mucifer May 2024 #76

I'm still struggling to understand your assertion Cohen's testimony was damaging Torchlight May 2024 #77

LOL compared to Trumps thefts, its small potatoes Historic NY May 2024 #78

Works for me. Slimy Trump is going to work with slimy guys like Cohen & Weisselberg. -nt CrispyQ May 2024 #80

Never a doubt. That's why trmp hired him. spanone May 2024 #83

He's not slime; he's reformed slime. ShazzieB May 2024 #84

Agree. MorbidButterflyTat May 2024 #92

I don't think it's going to hurt him or the case. They all know he worked for a criminal organization captain queeg May 2024 #87