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ShazzieB

(22,637 posts)
84. He's not slime; he's reformed slime.
Mon May 20, 2024, 03:26 PM
May 2024

There's a difference. He has admitted his failings and expressed remorse on multiple occasions, and he served time for his crimes (i.e., "paid his debt to society" ). In many ways, he's the very model of a modern reformed criminal (apologies to Gilbert and Sullivan).

If all of that isn't obvious to the jurors by now, never fear; the very skilled prosecutors will be sure to remind them of it in the closing statements.

I believe this trial is going very well for the prosecution, not just because it looks that way to me, but because of all the legal experts who have been saying so.

Please try not to worry too much. Trump is not going to be acquitted. For that to happen, the jurors would all have to agree that he did not do the things he's accused of. A hung jury is always possible, but if that happens, he can be retried. He's not going to get off scotfree.

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His moral failings are well-known. The key witnesses in most white-collar crime prosecutions Ocelot II May 2024 #1
Yes Johnny2X2X May 2024 #2
No, he isn't. He's been very effective. The prosecutors know exactly what and who Ocelot II May 2024 #5
He has been a total disaster for the prosecution Johnny2X2X May 2024 #9
That does not seem to be the consensus of most legal experts. Ocelot II May 2024 #10
A lot of litigators would argue that the prosecution should have brought this up and dealt with it on direct onenote May 2024 #24
Even seasoned prosecutors are not watching the trials. Hardly anybody is. jimfields33 May 2024 #52
lol Torchlight May 2024 #64
Oh good. jimfields33 May 2024 #67
Cohen has been an outstanding witness. Irish_Dem May 2024 #26
Hope you're right Johnny2X2X May 2024 #29
Criminals hang out with other criminals. Irish_Dem May 2024 #42
Examples? MorbidButterflyTat May 2024 #51
I think the average juror there EndlessWire May 2024 #79
The prosecutors have all the receipts. usedtobedemgurl May 2024 #93
You know what? I think the biggest danger here is that any MAGAts on the jury will decline Scrivener7 May 2024 #89
Good point. Irish_Dem May 2024 #90
Cohen must be The Bopper May 2024 #85
You keep saying that unc70 May 2024 #6
No he won't be. At best a hung jury. But not likely either. LiberalFighter May 2024 #15
How much evidence is there that doesn't involve Michael Cohen? Johnny2X2X May 2024 #19
It was also confirmed by others that had direct connection LiberalFighter May 2024 #23
So that's what they're banking on? Johnny2X2X May 2024 #25
They confirm details about the documents, dates, and other details.. LiberalFighter May 2024 #54
Plenty of other witnesses, Cohen is just one of many. Irish_Dem May 2024 #27
I hope so Johnny2X2X May 2024 #30
It has only been a few days. I think day four and the defense ended cross. LiberalFighter May 2024 #38
Phew Johnny2X2X May 2024 #39
I'm sure the prosecution is ready. LiberalFighter May 2024 #41
Yes, I'm sure they're ready. ShazzieB May 2024 #81
Prosecution always does clean up during re-direct. Irish_Dem May 2024 #46
Other witnesses testified for days too. Irish_Dem May 2024 #43
Who are the ther witnesses? We've had three people take the stand in the entire trial: jimfields33 May 2024 #53
Simply not true. The prosecution called 19 witnesses. Irish_Dem May 2024 #57
Holy cow. It's a shame it is not on tv. jimfields33 May 2024 #66
The jury has been very attentive and taking notes. Irish_Dem May 2024 #69
Thank God there are not 12 of me. jimfields33 May 2024 #71
Your mind might be focused if the eyes of the world were upon you. Irish_Dem May 2024 #72
If you or I were sitting in the coourtroom day after day, we would remember a lot more than we do jow. ShazzieB May 2024 #82
That's true. jimfields33 May 2024 #86
Innocent of all MFM008 May 2024 #63
What are the specific criticisms with his testimony Torchlight May 2024 #37
Preach! jimfields33 May 2024 #70
Well... except there's that photo. So... The vile thing is fucked. Scrivener7 May 2024 #88
Big reminder: Michael Cohen is not on trial. Focus is on Trump's crimes. emulatorloo May 2024 #3
Typically a good defense strategy Johonny May 2024 #12
Blanche is not an experienced defense attorney. LiberalFighter May 2024 #17
Good liveblog here, doesn't sound like Blanche is making much headway: emulatorloo May 2024 #44
That's a really good point. Irish_Dem May 2024 #48
I'm Looking Forward To Redirect. (nt) WiVoter May 2024 #18
Redirect starting right now... emulatorloo May 2024 #45
Thanks. Here the exact exchange per NBC underpants May 2024 #55
The trump org is a vipers den of liars and thieves. getagrip_already May 2024 #4
If they look at the facts that were presented LiberalFighter May 2024 #21
Yes. The other witnesses and documentary evidence all tell us Cohen is telling the truth. Irish_Dem May 2024 #49
I don't thing anyone should be surprised ... Tom of Temecula May 2024 #7
trDUMP.COM,... magicarpet May 2024 #16
Exactly. Trump didn't hire Mother Teresa types. Irish_Dem May 2024 #50
Now the defense and Trump will be wallowing in victimhood. Fucking Cohen. Vinca May 2024 #8
Seems like a weird guy to be doing legal work Johonny May 2024 #11
He was never hired to do legal work. He admitted he was hired as a "fixer" Ocelot II May 2024 #13
That was my point Johonny May 2024 #14
And it's part of the proof that calling the reimbursement checks "legal services" Ocelot II May 2024 #31
"Cohen isn't a witness as much ... Whiskeytide May 2024 #59
Sammy the Bull edhopper May 2024 #20
Trump would never hire an honest person Bayard May 2024 #22
Need to tie that in with the Blanche and his other attorneys. Not honest. LiberalFighter May 2024 #40
Cohen is exactly the kind of guy TSF hires. pandr32 May 2024 #28
Cohen's been tainted by association with the Djt circle of dirty characters Jrose May 2024 #32
im not so sure.. i think the public has been able to see/ hear cohen.. samnsara May 2024 #33
Credibility is Questionable Renaissance Man May 2024 #34
good for him bigtree May 2024 #35
Which part of the prosecution's case does this actually unravel? unblock May 2024 #36
Nothing. Exactly nothing. This whole case is paper. They have all receipts. Including the crime budget on paper. onecaliberal May 2024 #61
Why is it not good? MorbidButterflyTat May 2024 #47
Well for one thing listening to liberal talk radio mucifer May 2024 #56
And....? So....? Did we not know this years ago? Does it mean rump's innocent? MorbidButterflyTat May 2024 #91
shithole stole from his so-called charities........................... Lovie777 May 2024 #58
Who among the *rump organization without sin, cast the first stone. marble falls May 2024 #60
Defense coming across as rather incompetent this morning. Torchlight May 2024 #62
Interpret. jimfields33 May 2024 #68
And? obamanut2012 May 2024 #65
So Trump paid his bills with bags of cash crazylikafox May 2024 #73
3 different radio station news including NPR mucifer May 2024 #74
I've been listening to NPR this morning and they were reporting pretty exhaustively Torchlight May 2024 #75
Not the brief synopsis of the news during other programs mucifer May 2024 #76
I'm still struggling to understand your assertion Cohen's testimony was damaging Torchlight May 2024 #77
LOL compared to Trumps thefts, its small potatoes Historic NY May 2024 #78
Works for me. Slimy Trump is going to work with slimy guys like Cohen & Weisselberg. -nt CrispyQ May 2024 #80
Never a doubt. That's why trmp hired him. spanone May 2024 #83
He's not slime; he's reformed slime. ShazzieB May 2024 #84
Agree. MorbidButterflyTat May 2024 #92
I don't think it's going to hurt him or the case. They all know he worked for a criminal organization captain queeg May 2024 #87
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