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Zipgun

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60. Hillary's platform was more progressive in part because of Bernie. He knocked out the two other candidates that were
Sun May 26, 2024, 04:35 PM
May 2024

to the right of Hillary and would have pulled her to the right. Once he was the only challenger ( she was always the front runner and likely winner) the primary stayed more left. While Obama's platform was more liberal, at the urging of some of his people he pushed Dean out of the DNC and installed Tim Kaine. And we all remember what a fireball Kaine was, I mean he changed the party logo! Who wants something like an aggressive 50 state strategy when we can change a logo! After Debbie Wasserman Schultz ran the DNC into the ground, Hillary's campaign had to start secretly funneling money to the DNC to keep it afloat. And Wasserman Shultz is no progressive. And yet it was the progressives in the DNC that got pushed out.

I get that there is friction from time to time between the progressives and the more centrist members of the party. And not all of their battles are good ones, or fought well, but the same can be said for the centrists. And the progressive members of the house and senate are FAR more reliable votes than some of the more right leaning democrats, like Manchin. And yet it seems that time and time again progressives are pushed out or locked out, then bend over backwards for the Manchins of the party. You want the progressives to be better team players with the party? So do I and maybe a good start would be for the party to not constantly bash them or shutting the door in their face. Especially when progressives sometimes get motivated and show up when the party needs them, and not look for ways to hamstring the party like Manchin.

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Happy that Dr Maxine Dexter Won the Oregon 3 Primary! Cha May 2024 #1
Progressive vs. "progressive" orange jar May 2024 #2
Could it be, that they are so cynical, they don't even vote? Walleye May 2024 #3
Is that an explanation or an excuse? brooklynite May 2024 #6
They are lazy and entitled as much as anything. TheKentuckian May 2024 #64
I am very happy that Maxine Dexter won LetMyPeopleVote May 2024 #4
This is good news. mcar May 2024 #13
"I'm in Portland today to get out the vote for Dr. Maxine Dexter, a physician, longtime ⁦ @MomsDemand ⁩ voluntee" Cha May 2024 #18
Thank goodness for the strength of the far left.... Think. Again. May 2024 #5
Pulling the "political spectrum" is worthless... brooklynite May 2024 #7
Yeah, those things are the political spectrum. Think. Again. May 2024 #8
I think the track record of progressive candidates outside of safe Democratic seats..... brooklynite May 2024 #11
Yup mcar May 2024 #14
Yes, and what helps to succeed in the center... Think. Again. May 2024 #16
No.. Thank Goodness for the Primary Winner in Oregon 3.. Cha May 2024 #19
No, thank goodness she won that primary due to the strong left pull that... Think. Again. May 2024 #24
No.. Dr Maxine Dexter Won on Cha May 2024 #26
Yes, her supporters supported her rather than a more right-leaning candidate... Think. Again. May 2024 #27
Nobody else is horning in on Dr Dexter's Victory... Cha May 2024 #30
That isn't what happened NanaCat May 2024 #37
LOL NanaCat May 2024 #36
The pulling/pushing Democrats to the Left myth. betsuni May 2024 #42
If there wasn't a pull to the left... Think. Again. May 2024 #43
The country (except right-wingers) naturally becomes more liberal. betsuni May 2024 #44
Are you trying to pretend.... Think. Again. May 2024 #48
Democrats are liberal. Classic New Deal Democratic liberals. betsuni May 2024 #49
Now you're just OPENLY gaslighting. Think. Again. May 2024 #51
Does this mean we're breaking up? My sleeves are wet with tears. betsuni May 2024 #53
Hillary's platform was more progressive in part because of Bernie. He knocked out the two other candidates that were Zipgun May 2024 #60
Progressivism and Leftism aren't synonymous Sympthsical May 2024 #9
IME, electoral politics are not the primary focus of activists. WhiskeyGrinder May 2024 #10
Winning elections is definitively not a priority. BannonsLiver May 2024 #55
+1 betsuni May 2024 #56
So, you mean, constantly mcar May 2024 #12
Democratic voters like Democrats, it's a big tent party, they want things to get done and betsuni May 2024 #15
I did not see that post JustAnotherGen May 2024 #17
AIPAC put a shit-ton of money into the races, swamping them. pecosbob May 2024 #20
Voters decide elections. How does AIPAC money affect them or candidates? betsuni May 2024 #22
Are you seriously trying to say... Think. Again. May 2024 #45
How? Ads? Lawn signs? How does that force voters to vote for the candidate with the most money? betsuni May 2024 #46
Wow, I've never even heard a full-on magat... Think. Again. May 2024 #50
... betsuni May 2024 #52
How does it affect voters? betsuni May 2024 #54
Dexter's tenure in the Oregon State House had nothing to do with her victory? RandySF May 2024 #57
We were discussing the affect of the donations on the elections. Think. Again. May 2024 #58
$4.7 million was spent by outsider groups attacking Jayapal versus $1,500 (yes fifteen hundred) spent attacking Dexter Celerity May 2024 #28
So? Editorial endorsement May 2024: Elect Maxine Dexter in Democratic primary for 3rd Congressional District Cha May 2024 #31
Raising $8500 does not exactly indicate broad-based support. DFW May 2024 #34
That's how much Dr Dexter raised? If you read the article Cha May 2024 #35
I owe you a couple of clarifications, I think DFW May 2024 #40
I can't imagine why Elizabeth Warren would not wnylib May 2024 #72
+1 betsuni May 2024 #38
Yep Rob H. May 2024 #33
Trone put a shit-ton of money into the Maryland Democratic Senatorial Primary, swamping the DC area airwaves. DFW May 2024 #41
Exactly. H2O Man May 2024 #66
Flood of Dark Money ads against Jayapal Reader Rabbit May 2024 #21
Dexter is a member of Moms Demand Action. RandySF May 2024 #23
They always blame "dark money" when they Lose.. Dr Dexter was the Best Candidate and she Won. Cha May 2024 #32
The far left tends to be anti liberal so most democratic leaning voters are turned off by them JI7 May 2024 #25
Yep, a liberal community and a leftist community. . . DinahMoeHum May 2024 #29
Big difference though vercetti2021 May 2024 #39
Hang on, are you saying all of the issues... Think. Again. May 2024 #47
No... OneGrassRoot May 2024 #61
That's such a weird (and extreme) assumption... Think. Again. May 2024 #63
We're speaking of a specific group... OneGrassRoot May 2024 #65
I thought the accelerationists were a rightwing civil war (or doomsday, or endtimes, or rapture, or whatever) cult. Think. Again. May 2024 #68
They overlap a lot. But you do you. n/t OneGrassRoot May 2024 #69
They only overlap in the middle... Think. Again. May 2024 #70
lol OneGrassRoot May 2024 #71
If the "horseshoe effect" is real... Think. Again. May 2024 #73
I noticed what you call the horseshoe effect wnylib May 2024 #75
Good visual, imo. n/t OneGrassRoot May 2024 #76
Thank you for this OneGrassRoot May 2024 #62
Yes. betsuni May 2024 #67
I know a few. Don't know how common they are, but they're out there. shrike3 May 2024 #74
In the age of social media... OneGrassRoot May 2024 #78
Maybe voters don't care for being handed a MAGA Supreme Court for the next generation Nixie May 2024 #59
This sum's up a leftist. RandySF May 2024 #77
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