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karynnj

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47. Ryan pushed replacing Medicare with voucher care - and said the plan was like Obama care

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:54 PM

Nov 2012

The facts are:
- Medicare is a single payer plan with overhead of about 2%
- The alternative plans the voucher could be used for have about 20% overhead because they need to advertise and make a profit.

Now, consider what happens if you spend the SAME money on the two. Which has more money going to medical costs? It is simple math - the single payer plan.

Now, consider they are speaking of this as a solution that spends LESS money - meaning that in reality either people get less care or the cost is shifted to them.

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Is Medicare worth saving? [View all] kentuck Nov 2012 OP

Prove your assertion leftstreet Nov 2012 #1

I think it is common knowledge... kentuck Nov 2012 #2

I heard on every tv that Iraq had WMD leftstreet Nov 2012 #4

Can you find one? kentuck Nov 2012 #5

You first. You made the assertion n/t leftstreet Nov 2012 #6

You are the one disputing it. kentuck Nov 2012 #8

Jesus leftstreet Nov 2012 #9

All of them. kentuck Nov 2012 #16

Nice post, Sarah Palin. Iggo Nov 2012 #56

Here is one lalalu Nov 2012 #12

Thanks! kentuck Nov 2012 #17

There is no need to and it won't happen. lalalu Nov 2012 #21

Only Medicare Part A - hospital has a fund. That will become insolvent in 2024. dkf Nov 2012 #14

"If 47% of taxpayers do not pay income taxes" lalalu Nov 2012 #22

Excess social security receipts are what is represented by the trust fund dkf Nov 2012 #24

"yes it was all spent ages ago" lalalu Nov 2012 #25

The excess is the SS trust fund. dkf Nov 2012 #45

And where did the excess go? lalalu Nov 2012 #58

The excess is also the Medicare part a trust fund. dkf Nov 2012 #59

No, the excess funds were not used by recipients. That's the lie. lalalu Nov 2012 #60

Already receipts are not enough for benefits. If there were no trust fund they would have to cut dkf Nov 2012 #65

I have explained this to you several times. lalalu Nov 2012 #66

If those funds were already spent how is it the total benefits are being paid? dkf Nov 2012 #67

Umm, if you pay payroll taxes, you're paying into Medicare. SheilaT Nov 2012 #26

So where did I say anything else? lalalu Nov 2012 #28

Payroll taxes only pay for Medicare A, hospitals, not doctors or drugs. dkf Nov 2012 #46

I am on Social Security and paid into it for over 50 years. RebelOne Nov 2012 #34

Exactly lalalu Nov 2012 #37

Wow are you wrong jeff47 Nov 2012 #33

There is also the fact that American coporations lalalu Nov 2012 #38

China has their own currency and own their banks jeff47 Nov 2012 #44

Duh, of course they have their own banks and currency. lalalu Nov 2012 #57

There are two verbs in that subject. You missed the second. jeff47 Nov 2012 #63

Yes but I don't believe that is where the money came from. lalalu Nov 2012 #64

And we crushed Iraq. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2012 #55

Medicare is running a huge deficit? what? HiPointDem Nov 2012 #30

IMO, Medicare is currently undergoing a renovation that will lead to single payer. cbayer Nov 2012 #3

Neither of those controls cost of care enough. dkf Nov 2012 #7

Medicare is fine and a great program. lalalu Nov 2012 #10

only a libertarian President would ever do that former-republican Nov 2012 #15

let's stop this bullshit first former-republican Nov 2012 #20

Agree lalalu Nov 2012 #23

It's not rosy looking by any means but it still can be fixed former-republican Nov 2012 #11

Not only worth saving, but strengthening. closeupready Nov 2012 #13

Bingo! kentuck Nov 2012 #18

I don't know exactly what the status of Medicare is Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2012 #19

That would be giving Medicare entirely over to private medical insurance former-republican Nov 2012 #29

That's not what I was suggesting Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2012 #36

Medicare is not only worth saving, but needs to be expanded, SheilaT Nov 2012 #27

Make Medicare for all. Cut down the costs on becoming glowing Nov 2012 #31

Yes. This is what must be done. dchill Nov 2012 #51

Of course it is. We do need to make some changes that makes the rampant fraud Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #32

I hope so. Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #35

if you don't have any money, then Obamacare will pay for your premiums or provide Medicaid CreekDog Nov 2012 #61

Yes. It has been a cost efficient use of national resources. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #39

It made the end of my mother's life much better lunatica Nov 2012 #40

Social Security deducts monthly premiums for both Medicare and prescriptions. dmr Nov 2012 #41

Thanks for bringing this up. Cleita Nov 2012 #43

Wash your mouth out with bleach. Cleita Nov 2012 #42

Ryan pushed replacing Medicare with voucher care - and said the plan was like Obama care karynnj Nov 2012 #47

Not replace loyalsister Nov 2012 #48

Replace with national health care for all!, and tax the rich B Calm Nov 2012 #49

Yes it is worth saving. My parents can see a doctor because of it. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #50

Yes. And expanding to all Americans. David Zephyr Nov 2012 #52

Single Payer Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #53

it has to be saved because as far as brokechris Nov 2012 #54

Kinda but I think we should actually expand Tricare to the nation the more I think on it. TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #62