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Tarheel_Dem

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43. I have absolutely no qualms about Wesley Clark working in this administration.

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 02:08 AM

Nov 2012

I just think the hyperbole re: Chuck Hagel is a bit over-the-top. I know this board, and ones like it, serve a very partisan readership. But the very people who feign outrage that this president might appoint someone with an "R" after his name, belies their constantly chiding others for supporting this president "just because he's a Democrat". Can you say h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e?

Look, this president's entire professional career, even as a community organizer, seems to have been built on consensus building, and working with the opposition. I just want people to wake up and realize that there are forces among us who have vested interests in unending gridlock, and partisan bickering. If we all came together and did a kumbaya, it would put many of them out of work.

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Well, fuck me. I thought I was on a DEMOCRATIC forum. [View all] MotherPetrie Nov 2012 OP

Well, you're on record. Not that anyone gives a shit. Someone has to stop this.... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #1

No, I am not a good Repubican who blindly approves everything "mypresident" does. MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #7

Oh, I'm sure you don't "blindly approve of everything 'my president' does". Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #12

As a woman- that will be a bad move LukeFL Nov 2012 #57

Chuck Hagel donnasgirl Nov 2012 #217

I'll stop the "partisan bullshit" when the Republicans stop being the party of bullshit Scootaloo Nov 2012 #9

So you agree that Dems should only work with Dems, and vice versa? Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #10

That's not what he said or what I said. "WORKING WITH" is not the same thing as NOMINATING To MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #13

Well apparently McCain, Graham, and Collins all agree with you. They want JK. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #15

They only want JK so Scott Brown can run for his Senate seat. n/t intheflow Nov 2012 #51

Every one 0of them has made positive statements about Kerry as a person and as karynnj Nov 2012 #127

And how honest have they been in their dealings with Rice. daleanime Nov 2012 #215

Where were all these republicans when Kerry was getting swift-boated? Seedersandleechers Nov 2012 #224

I believe the strategy is called "being kicked upstairs." savannah43 Nov 2012 #268

No, they want senator Brown back. quakerboy Nov 2012 #56

blueorchid blueorchid Nov 2012 #254

Welcome to DU! Can't the legislature just change the law again and make the seat a governors appoint hrmjustin Nov 2012 #256

You're kidding right? zentrum Nov 2012 #62

No they don't... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #157

Yeah, Republicans just fucking love John Kerry Fumesucker Nov 2012 #180

Thanks for posting that. GOP were handing out those goddam stickers and McCain and AlinPA Nov 2012 #245

Clueless and tone deaf to how republicans lie. Jakes Progress Nov 2012 #241

It is not a "reward" jberryhill Nov 2012 #19

Of course it is a reward. MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #28

No, these are very important jobs... jberryhill Nov 2012 #42

They are both rewards and important positions. Laurian Nov 2012 #247

I totally agree with you. The SOS in a Democratic Administration should be a Democrat. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #25

Obama has not said the vetting is for SoS. It could be for Director of CIA. Tx4obama Nov 2012 #32

I'm going to wade in here and hope I survive with my head intact... ReRe Nov 2012 #72

I agree. If not Director of CIA, then Sec of Defense. But NOT Sec of State. Tx4obama Nov 2012 #74

Well, if we can femrap Nov 2012 #227

OF COURSE! robinlynne Nov 2012 #175

I once read some one describing the two parties as "one shirt, two pockets." savannah43 Nov 2012 #269

How about Republicans work WITH DEMOCRATS. Notice how the person you responded sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #47

Wish I could rec this post, Sabrina! I'll simply say a hearty & vociferous +1!!! n/t tpsbmam Nov 2012 #290

I agree with you LukeFL Nov 2012 #60

I think that Dems should not work with people who have a policy of fucking America over Scootaloo Nov 2012 #24

I think Dems should fucking destroy the repukes. We won the election, time to shut morningfog Nov 2012 #148

Have we entered some alternate universe ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #164

Thank You! Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #168

The operative word is the 'talented player', the 'accomplished employee'. Cleita Nov 2012 #249

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #255

Like I said this worked fifty years ago, but things started getting polarized Cleita Nov 2012 #262

In my experience, the arrogant brash employee will work toward the boss' goals ONLY... Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2012 #260

Republicans get what they want by stnading firm and being partisan assholes. They are not going robinlynne Nov 2012 #173

You can't be nice to these people? butterfly77 Nov 2012 #237

It wouldn't hurt for the Dems and the president to tell..... Hotler Nov 2012 #221

In this day and age, I agree that Dems should only work with Dems. Cleita Nov 2012 #248

Well put. Magoo48 Nov 2012 #132

The poster didn't say what you wrote. The concern was about a republican former Senator who bluestate10 Nov 2012 #27

I have absolutely no qualms about Wesley Clark working in this administration. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #43

You're naive LukeFL Nov 2012 #63

You're calling the President "naive"? Yeah, I Cha Nov 2012 #70

Call it naive... sendero Nov 2012 #114

The President has his way of doing things.. and it's not Cha Nov 2012 #252

What it generally has been. sendero Nov 2012 #261

No, he's not. The gops made a pact to obstruct the night Obama was Cha Nov 2012 #265

Prove it. You're the one making the empty assertion. The naive charge here is well founded. ancianita Nov 2012 #291

Or, it could be that Obama is continuously showing how the GOP is only savannah43 Nov 2012 #272

That would be a good theory.... sendero Nov 2012 #282

oh the deep deep irony!!! your post is fabulously dripping deliciously ironic! BOFFO!!! graham4anything Nov 2012 #85

It would be nice for you to explain what the hell you are talking about. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #167

Wesley Clark great as he is thought to be VOTED FOR REAGAN AND NIXON graham4anything Nov 2012 #198

Shorn of all the sturm und drang . . . MrModerate Nov 2012 #40

Please understand this: I am not advocating for Chuck Hagel. I just don't agree... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #46

So you say Republicans are as honorable as Democrats? Did you miss the election? Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #110

They were doing everything in their power Generic Other Nov 2012 #141

totally agree Euphoria Nov 2012 #160

This is something that has become more than obvious sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #212

Ray LaHood has been an outstanding Secretary of Transportation who has called Republicans out on Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2012 #233

Agreed that not all Republicans are insane — statistically alone, that's unlikely . . . MrModerate Nov 2012 #263

Really? Like Romney would have LukeFL Nov 2012 #55

I think Hagel is a balloon.... ReRe Nov 2012 #73

I hope we don't make decisions based on what 'they' would or wouldn't do duhneece Nov 2012 #116

You could and should have made a valid point in a more civil manner. Jim Lane Nov 2012 #88

Well bubba, we are all going to die in any case. You have yet to give any cogent reason whatsoever Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #90

we dont need to stop this 'partisan bullshit' as you call it bowens43 Nov 2012 #96

Yah, lets make the House completely irrelevant. nt Flatulo Nov 2012 #297

Straw Man Argument NWHarkness Nov 2012 #109

LOL, gullible much? Logical Nov 2012 #122

Let the Repukes stop the "partisan bullshit" Doctor_J Nov 2012 #135

You are naive and delusional to think the partisanship is anywhere near morningfog Nov 2012 #146

You are very wrong. Partisan bullshit will continue on the part of the GOp nomatter what we do. It i robinlynne Nov 2012 #172

Putting a weasel in the henhouse is definitely not going to help stop the killing. Zorra Nov 2012 #211

You're femrap Nov 2012 #225

Gee, by that standard, why not Mutt Romney? stupidicus Nov 2012 #229

Get over yourself, no-ones gonna die if Kucinich is on the cabinet instead. Unreal. grahamhgreen Nov 2012 #285

!!! thems fightin woids! PUT EM UP!11!! dionysus Nov 2012 #301

This belongs in META cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #2

Hunh? A strongly worded disagreement with centrist tacking by the administration belongs coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #77

Hunh? If the OP cannot make a point without whining about DU then it is META cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #184

Oh, I got you. Sorry I over-reacted. I guess I didn't tune in initially to the criticism of DUers coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #190

Well, for one, Chuck Hagel would not be able to vote on anything as the SOS WCGreen Nov 2012 #3

No - Hagel and his right-wing record would just represent the U.S. world-wide. He would be face of MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #5

Do you really think that the across the globe uber popular president Obama WCGreen Nov 2012 #20

His past voting record is completely at odds with Obama's. It sure could be used as ammunition. MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #26

It is a totally different job. WCGreen Nov 2012 #41

Hagel most likely is being vetted for Director of CIA, not Sec of State. Tx4obama Nov 2012 #44

Duh alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #91

Well that last Republican CIA director was certainly a tower of propriety and ethics! Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #111

Do you really view these things only in terms of making things easy for one person? sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #22

It's a way to show the people who are not hyper-partisan that Obama is willing WCGreen Nov 2012 #292

Why are Democrats always 'reaching out'? Towards the Right? We are always leaning over to sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #295

I got nothing more... WCGreen Nov 2012 #296

"Also, he serves at the beck and call of the President and not the republican party." savannah43 Nov 2012 #273

Any member of the cabinet serves at the whim of the president.... WCGreen Nov 2012 #293

No more of these Repukes! DearHeart Nov 2012 #4

Thank you. MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #6

Didn't Hillary vote for all the stuff you laid out there? Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #17

She's a -- you know -- DEMOCRAT! She may not have a perfect voting record - MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #23

Doesn't answer my question. The poster itemized some issues he had a problem with.... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #34

Being a REPUBLICAN is a disqualifier. If that isn't obvious to you, I wonder why you're on DU. MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #193

Yes she did which is why I never supported her and would never support her for sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #213

Yes she did and I don't like her being the SOS. DearHeart Nov 2012 #80

absolutely. elections SHOULD have consequences. bowens43 Nov 2012 #97

I vote for Bill Clinton Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #8

Bill Clinton? freetrucker53 Dec 2012 #304

Won't sex ya, but I totally agree. Tutonic Nov 2012 #11

I've been amazed over the last 4 years at how much Obama gets a pass from DUers. begin_within Nov 2012 #14

Me too? SammyWinstonJack Nov 2012 #118

You're absolutely right. We elect Democrats in order to get rid of Republicans. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #16

K&R! Holeee shit, I just visitied the link someone posted upthead! Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #18

Who's next? Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #29

We must learn to be tolerant of other people's beliefs MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #37

Particularly PRO Corporate Beliefs... Iggy Nov 2012 #102

Tolerance is a good start, but to really understand our potential allies on the far right Dragonfli Nov 2012 #120

That was tried by the appeasers in term 1 Doctor_J Nov 2012 #137

Most serious pragmatic adults realize that the mistake was we did not go far enough right! Dragonfli Nov 2012 #203

Where's Dr Fate? OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #220

Likely erecting a shrine to honor his prophet WILL MARSHALL Dragonfli Nov 2012 #234

Thanks for the humor, irony, sarcasm...Dragonfli and Manny Goldstein... KoKo Nov 2012 #151

lols...thanks for this. KoKo Nov 2012 #152

Chuck Hagel is already part of the Obama Administration. Tx4obama Nov 2012 #38

yeah, some of us did progressoid Nov 2012 #156

Wow...and he's supposed to be a moderate republican???? n/t bluethruandthru Nov 2012 #231

I could live with him at defense, I think he actually could be good at CIA dsc Nov 2012 #21

Chuck Hagel is ALREADY PART OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTATION. Tx4obama Nov 2012 #30

No, I'll leave my post right here, thank you very much. Oh - MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #31

We need healing now, not hate. MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #33

. Union Scribe Nov 2012 #66

You had me scared for a minute there. robinlynne Nov 2012 #176

Enough with appointing Republicans KT2000 Nov 2012 #35

Mother SamKnause Nov 2012 #36

Spent the whole day arguing with third way "democrat" relatives abelenkpe Nov 2012 #39

Obama has not said the vetting is for SoS. Most likely it is for Director of CIA. Tx4obama Nov 2012 #45

Why is it that, after an election victory, some "Dems" want to move to the right? Bozita Nov 2012 #48

Chuck Hagel has been part of the Obama Administration since 2009 Tx4obama Nov 2012 #53

That's supposed to make everything better? Lol. nt laundry_queen Nov 2012 #143

Look who these people are. woo me with science Nov 2012 #139

Nailed it...! KoKo Nov 2012 #158

Tell it like it is, woo. This should be its own OP. Seriously. Melinda Nov 2012 #159

Damn! +1000 Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #169

You whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #177

I concur, the same group, the same con for years. I also believe it is time to wake up Dragonfli Nov 2012 #197

Excellent post as always. And this needs to be said over and over again to counteract sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #214

Because they are lying politicians ann--- Nov 2012 #207

It's not "kissing butt" to try to work with the other side. CheapShotArtist Nov 2012 #228

the last four years PROVED we don't need to work with the other side.. frylock Nov 2012 #280

Exactly! ann--- Nov 2012 #294

So when is the Other Side going to work with Democrats? sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #299

Good to keep your friends close but your enemies even closer ... MindMover Nov 2012 #49

Only when defending Obama is more important to you than resisting Republican assholes. MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #196

And the voices that claimed Obama would go more to the Left this 4 years.... Bonobo Nov 2012 #50

Lol, is anyone surprised? sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #58

Wow, so true. Imagine if I had started an OP pushing for Chuck Hagel for SOS Bonobo Nov 2012 #61

Someone should try it one day, before it is generally known to be not the idea of the sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #67

That would be an interesting experiment Dragonfli Nov 2012 #98

No one has posted any threads pushing for Hagel to be SoS. The articles ... Tx4obama Nov 2012 #71

Has anyone done that? joshcryer Nov 2012 #89

Holy Miss-the-Point, Batman! nt Bonobo Nov 2012 #92

Get back to me when Hagel is appointed. joshcryer Nov 2012 #99

It is enough that he is being vetted. nt Bonobo Nov 2012 #101

Not really. joshcryer Nov 2012 #104

You no longer surprise me. At all. nt Bonobo Nov 2012 #107

Hagel was critical of Bush's "surge." joshcryer Nov 2012 #108

So if it were to happen whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #185

Depends. I will make a post about it. joshcryer Nov 2012 #239

Nailed whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #182

Unfortunately they don't Doctor_J Nov 2012 #134

some leading democrats prefer republicans to highly qualified liberal democrats nt msongs Nov 2012 #52

You may well have a point, but I won't fuck you. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #54

Patraeus is a registered Republican - if he's replaced by Hagel then what's the big F'ing deal? Tx4obama Nov 2012 #59

We objected strenuously to Petraeus because he was a Republican and we were sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #64

+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - Well put and definitely coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #82

With Hagel.. zentrum Nov 2012 #65

See comment #76 n/t Tx4obama Nov 2012 #86

So you keep touting Petraeus as if he had not brought dishonor to the office and to Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #115

Sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about Inuca Nov 2012 #183

You're wrong. See my post, #233 Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2012 #235

The Third Way/"New Democrats" ALWAYS lean right, hoping nobody will notice. blkmusclmachine Nov 2012 #68

Hagel questioned Petraeus in 2007 - VIDEO Tx4obama Nov 2012 #69

Sen. Chuck Hagel: "What do you believe?" (Jan. 24, 2007) Tx4obama Nov 2012 #75

'Hagel was a harsh critic of George W. Bush's foreign policy, elleng Nov 2012 #76

He is a RINO, everyone knows it..I almost dislike RINOs as much as I dislike DINOs pipoman Nov 2012 #105

It's not about party loyalty Inuca Nov 2012 #186

That may be an excuse for an occasional pipoman Nov 2012 #232

Emphatic K&R. If Hagel wants to be a part of this adminsitration, he needs to coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #78

Chuck Hagel has been part of the Obama Administration since 2009 Tx4obama Nov 2012 #79

I should have been more specific, as the president is entitled to seek advice coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #83

Why let the truth like that spoil the above people's factless lies??? graham4anything Nov 2012 #84

Don't let some facts get in the way bashing the adminstration and Duers. FSogol Nov 2012 #126

Dear MotherPetrie... ReRe Nov 2012 #81

I love you quote Lincoln in your signature. Makes your words so Ironic graham4anything Nov 2012 #87

Whew! You're about the best rantor I ever heard... ReRe Nov 2012 #103

Most of my thread was referring to others, not yours. graham4anything Nov 2012 #131

I agree with everything you said... ReRe Nov 2012 #140

Actually, I like the idea of nominating Jon Huntsman...guess I'm a turncoat. NC_Nurse Nov 2012 #93

Rumor mongers. JNelson6563 Nov 2012 #94

Agreed. Not trustworthy. bluerum Nov 2012 #95

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #100

I feel RINOs like Hagel and DINOs like Lieberman pipoman Nov 2012 #106

Welcome to the Big Tent. First day here? Get a GRIP on reality please. Coyotl Nov 2012 #112

Speculative outrage is the best outrage...nt SidDithers Nov 2012 #113

CALL CONGRESS RIGHT NOW $#%@ FSogol Nov 2012 #125

Realize that a lot of people come here because of the graphics and crackerjack web design. Smarmie Doofus Nov 2012 #117

One thing about it madokie Nov 2012 #119

K&R. It is SICKENING to see right wingers being defended here. I do not understand it! forestpath Nov 2012 #121

I like Hagel. So sue me. babylonsister Nov 2012 #123

better to march in lockstep freetrucker53 Nov 2012 #124

"Your not going to get real debate here. " ProSense Nov 2012 #136

This is that upsetting? ProSense Nov 2012 #128

100% bullshit spanone Nov 2012 #129

Calling Skittles. Skittles..... lonestarnot Nov 2012 #130

It's for Dems and those who support everything the president does Doctor_J Nov 2012 #133

Well, well -- another billh58 Nov 2012 #138

We elected the President, now he gets to decide who he puts in his cabinet. It is not up to you. I Pisces Nov 2012 #142

Someone should read the president DU's TOS whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #144

Not exactly. ananda Nov 2012 #147

Mengele is hyperbole, but you get my point whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #153

The reliable Third Way brigade. nt woo me with science Nov 2012 #155

It's really funny to watch people go absolutely apeshit over things that haven't even happened yet. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #145

Absolutely... SidDithers Nov 2012 #150

Maybe it won't happen whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #154

There's nothing saying Hagel is being vetted for SoS. That makes this OP even funnier. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #162

Maybe you should inform whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #165

...who is saying exactly the same thing I just said. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #187

But also defending the choice were it to be true n/t whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #194

I speak only for myself. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #200

I posted an article on DU that said 'someone' said he was being vetted for SoS or DoD. Tx4obama Nov 2012 #274

Nonsense. We have already been sold. woo me with science Nov 2012 #174

Right. Let's all just stfu and wait till it's too late. Jakes Progress Nov 2012 #242

Yes and after it's too late, those that gave the speeches not to worry seem to be rhett o rick Nov 2012 #302

Along with the admonition Jakes Progress Dec 2012 #303

Actually most presidents dem or rep have a member of the opposition party in the cabinet WI_DEM Nov 2012 #149

I think you are mistaking democrats for progressives IDoMath Nov 2012 #161

I like Hagel. He used to be Senator when I lived in NE. TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #163

HERESY!!!!1!1!11!! WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #166

LOL. TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #170

So you're making fun of people who DON'T support a rightwing Republican being part of Obama's admin? MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #192

*sigh* WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #202

I'm sorry too. His voting record is as right wing as theyc ome. Did you vote for him, too? MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #191

No. TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #195

I agree. robinlynne Nov 2012 #171

Pro-war? Daniel537 Nov 2012 #178

Photo please. Before I consider fucking you. postulater Nov 2012 #179

I'm sure the President could not give two shits about what some of you think. great white snark Nov 2012 #181

You mean he has WORSE things to do. And I am easily satisfied. MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #199

No, not even then, because talking about THAT... bvar22 Nov 2012 #210

Golly. Since you seem to be someone the president does give two shits about Jakes Progress Nov 2012 #243

Supporting Hagel for anything on this board should earn one a pizza. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2012 #188

Pizza? Inuca Nov 2012 #189

Sexy combination. Could be a turn on. Ohh.... ummm. What board am I on again. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2012 #208

"Do as DU says, not as the president does!" whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #201

In a nutshell, yes.... Dragonfli Nov 2012 #204

. . . . . . . . WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #205

I thought supporting Republicans was a violation of the rules here. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #219

I'm against it, too ann--- Nov 2012 #206

Thanks. Awesome post. I'm right there with you. nt Zorra Nov 2012 #209

+1000 blackspade Nov 2012 #216

Excuse me folks but Vietnameravet Nov 2012 #218

"Some of you are as unbending and demanding as Republicans". CheapShotArtist Nov 2012 #236

Heck no. He appointed Republican hero General Betrayus to the post of CIA Director. Zorra Nov 2012 #259

I too wonder about this continuation of bipartisan compromise. I think Paul Wellstone said it best: midnight Nov 2012 #222

Just a rumor brush Nov 2012 #223

indeed, it gets him nothing but a lot of dismay from his base stupidicus Nov 2012 #226

I've been preparing myself femrap Nov 2012 #230

K&R for use of the word fuck! trailmonkee Nov 2012 #238

I seriously have to wonder... MirrorAshes Nov 2012 #240

Very well put n/t Inuca Nov 2012 #251

Spot on! Thanks for this. nt babylonsister Nov 2012 #264

I'm so old that I know Chuck is a douche...I just can't remember the particulars. peace13 Nov 2012 #244

This message was self-deleted by its author sharp_stick Nov 2012 #246

Welcome to all the Newcomers defending the GOP leftstreet Nov 2012 #250

I want Kerry! blue cat Nov 2012 #253

I‘m guilty of reccomending him. I‘m applegrove Nov 2012 #257

I would be very surprised if Hagel is being seriously considered....... Swede Atlanta Nov 2012 #258

Article that came out today says Dept of Defense NOT Sec of State. I think it'll be CIA Tx4obama Nov 2012 #277

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #266

Hagel the horrible! Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2012 #267

as a Bona fide "radical leftist" I STRONGLY, STRONGLY support Chuck Hagel's nomination Douglas Carpenter Nov 2012 #270

Don't most administrations appoint a few from the other party to posts of some sort? gateley Nov 2012 #271

Yes, they do. Jennicut Nov 2012 #278

I agree about Hagel -- good experience, and I think he's a good guy. gateley Nov 2012 #283

This thread... The Old Creak Nov 2012 #275

well I like Chuck. PatrynXX Nov 2012 #276

In what world kurtzapril4 Nov 2012 #286

Secretary of DEFENSE rumored short list: John Kerry, Chuck Hagel, Ashton Carter Tx4obama Nov 2012 #279

he'd probably be a fine sec. of state arely staircase Nov 2012 #281

I don't blindly trust Obama's judgment, but I do trust his judgment xxxsdesdexxx Nov 2012 #284

Right. Extrajudicial killing of Americans. Priceless. grahamhgreen Nov 2012 #287

Again. I actually trust President Obama's judgment -- not the judgment of George W. Bush xxxsdesdexxx Nov 2012 #288

That's dictatorship. grahamhgreen Nov 2012 #298

Nominate Bill Clinton creeksneakers2 Nov 2012 #289

This is a "Well, fuck me. I thought I was on a DEMOCRATIC forum." KICK nt Zorra Nov 2012 #300