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In reply to the discussion: Well, fuck me. I thought I was on a DEMOCRATIC forum. [View all]graham4anything
(11,464 posts)in that without those on the other side, Lincoln never would have attained his signature greatest piece of legislation that he did.
Lincoln & Obama are both such similiar presidents.
It is why LIincoln is #1 on the all time list and already I rank Obama at #4 after
FDR(whom you quote) and LBJ (who also ironic enough needed the opposition to get his signature legislations rammed through.
Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it.
And the heartbreaking elections of 1968, 1980 and 2000 showed it
When the democrats came together to LOSS 3 races that should have been theirs by a mile, because of some damn stupid wedge issues in each one, and the holier than thou attitudes of the Democrats in those years.
LBJ would have handily defeated Nixon as LBJ knew how to win.
(and Bobby would still be alive to run in 1972.)
The division in 1980 that fracture caused Carter to lose
And the idiocy of Ralph Nader and the holier than thou (including Gore) to jettison Bill Clinton allowed W to steal in there.(But without the prior holier than thous, the race would not have been close. Disavowing a president so popular he would have won a 3rd term had he been allowed to, for the sake of purity well, it reeks.
And agian, this holier than thou attitude is rearing its ugly heads.
Please go see the movie "Lincoln".
I think the single biggest thing uber liberal Spielberg was trying to show was how politics is yes ugly, but great things happen by shifting a word here or there, by allowing the opposition a little dignity, a little grace, and then without them even realizing it, ramming home the goal itself- the prize one was looking for in the first place.
It matters little how one gets that prize- the object is the end goal
(Same as how after the first debate, I was mortified with the reaction here against Obama, and mortified at how quick Ed and Rachel threw Obama overboard like those that threw LBJ CARTER and Gore overboard in the past.
Only Rev. Al Sharpton on air said the truth that needed to be said.
but again, won't want to spoil people's rants just will rant myself against the rant.