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pnwmom

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44. The words "socialism" and "capitalism" didn't exist yet.
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:20 AM
Nov 2012

But -- among other things -- Jesus told a rich man that if he wanted to follow him, he needed to sell everything he had and give it to the poor. That's a socialistic concept, even if he didn't use the word. Also, the Apostles themselves held everything in common.

Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.

This is what was supposed to happen in heaven:

Matthew 25:34-36 Then the king will say to those at his right hand, "Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me."

Another after-death parable:

Luke 16:19-25 "There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate lay a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who longed to satisfy his hunger with what fell from the rich man's table; even the dogs would come and lick his sores. The poor man died and was carried away by the angels to be with Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried.

In Hades, where he was being tormented, he looked up and saw Abraham far away with Lazarus by his side. He called out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am in agony in these flames.' But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your lifetime you received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner evil things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in agony.

Mark 12:41-44 He sat down opposite the treasury, and watched the crowd putting money into the treasury. Many rich people put in large sums. 42 A poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which are worth a penny. 43 Then he called his disciples and said to them, "Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the treasury. 44 For all of them have contributed out of their abundance; but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on."

Luke 12:16-21 Then he told them a parable: "The land of a rich man produced abundantly. And he thought to himself, 'What should I do, for I have no place to store my crops?' Then he said, 'I will do this: I will pull down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, 'Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.' But God said to him, 'You fool! This very night your life is being demanded of you. And the things you have prepared, whose will they be?' So it is with those who store up treasures for themselves but are not rich toward God."

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Please cite statements attributed to Jesus regarding socialism vs. capitalism. nt jody Nov 2012 #1
Which ones do you want cited? regnaD kciN Nov 2012 #2
Just one will be sufficient. nt jody Nov 2012 #3
Here is a sampling... TomCADem Nov 2012 #5
The quotes from Acts were not from Jesus. The others were not comments pitting socialism vs jody Nov 2012 #6
Every time he said to sell all one had, give to the poor, and follow Him. knitter4democracy Nov 2012 #7
Right deutsey Nov 2012 #8
OK but Jesus also taught invest money for a profit and that's capitalism. jody Nov 2012 #9
You do realize he wasn't talking about money there, right? knitter4democracy Nov 2012 #14
Apparently you don't know that the talent used in Jesus' time amounted to about 130 pounds of either jody Nov 2012 #16
Yes, I did. knitter4democracy Nov 2012 #17
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #18
Interesting. knitter4democracy Nov 2012 #20
IMHO, it takes a special kind of obliviousness... regnaD kciN Nov 2012 #43
Strictly speaking . . . markpkessinger Nov 2012 #19
Oh, don't burst his bubble. knitter4democracy Nov 2012 #21
You do know that Jesus pre-deceased both Adam Smith, Robert Owen and Karl Marx... TomCADem Nov 2012 #22
With all due respect, you're just playing games... regnaD kciN Nov 2012 #42
The words "socialism" and "capitalism" didn't exist yet. pnwmom Nov 2012 #44
Here are a few ... libdem4life Nov 2012 #4
Argument isn't valid regjoe Nov 2012 #10
You didn't read the article, did you? Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #11
Perhaps regjoe read and studied the bible instead. nt jody Nov 2012 #12
Why yes, I did read the article regjoe Nov 2012 #13
So individually we're supposed to follow Jesus' teaching... Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #23
Don't we as Democrats promote religion on an individual level? regjoe Nov 2012 #30
Nice Tangent... Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #32
Jesus told people to do these things BarackTheVote Nov 2012 #24
Work of God in this world? regjoe Nov 2012 #27
How is capitalism not subjegation of one man to another? KatyMan Nov 2012 #29
What do those things have to do with the teachings of Jesus? regjoe Nov 2012 #31
You brought it up: KatyMan Nov 2012 #34
Actually, subjugating yourself for another man is a HUGE part of the Gospel BarackTheVote Nov 2012 #36
I agree regjoe Nov 2012 #38
Okay, easy peasy: BarackTheVote Nov 2012 #39
Interesting regjoe Nov 2012 #40
Yes, He did preach on an individual level. knitter4democracy Nov 2012 #15
I'm not questioning taxes regjoe Nov 2012 #28
We live in a democracy, so the distinction doesn't apply. pnwmom Nov 2012 #45
Great article, thank you for posting it! nt Union Scribe Nov 2012 #25
Maybe someone above mentioned it,,, Oldfolkie Nov 2012 #26
Religion has always been used by the PTB to justify their rule. Odin2005 Nov 2012 #33
As a progressive Christian who is currently attending an liberalhistorian Nov 2012 #35
@liberalhistorian very well said +1! BarackTheVote Nov 2012 #37
+1 Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #41
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