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wnylib

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36. I'm not quite sure why you are defending Trump

Sun Jun 2, 2024, 04:10 PM

Jun 2024

or why you didn't follow the trial enough to know the answers to questions that you are asking.

The payments to Daniels and to Pecker became tax crimes because they were falsely reported in the records kept by Trump. NY law says that a misdemeanor committed to hide one crime in coordination with another crime becomes a felony. I don't have the exact wording of NY state law at hand right now, but there is a part of NY election law that makes such fraudulent behavior as paying to cover and distort information in elections a crime. You can look up that part of NY law yourself as easily as I could.

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I'm still confused (Trump trial). [View all] LAS14 Jun 2024 OP

I have heard #1 referred to and defined multiple times, how his actions could interfere with the Eliot Rosewater Jun 2024 #1

Did it explain how it differed from just plain campaigning? LAS14 Jun 2024 #8

Trump paid David Pecker (National Enquirer) to kill negative stories about Trump and to wnylib Jun 2024 #24

"witholding info...that the voters had a right to know." LAS14 Jun 2024 #26

The method of "withholding info" was to pay off people to buy and kill the stories, which is an "in kind" campaign Grown2Hate Jun 2024 #32

Thanks! nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #51

I'm not quite sure why you are defending Trump wnylib Jun 2024 #36

What in the world makes you think I am defending Trump???????? nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #52

I misunderstood your questions. I apologize for the assumption. wnylib Jun 2024 #55

Do you watch that bothsider Smerconish regularly? brush Jun 2024 #58

Yep! I don't want to be one of those people caught in a bubble. nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #63

Ok, good to know...just another information silo. brush Jun 2024 #64

Here. I did the work for you. Now it's up to you to do the work of reading it. wnylib Jun 2024 #41

Grown2Hate beat you to the bunch and was much nicer about it. nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #53

Yes, probably was much nicer. I'm sorry for my rudeness. wnylib Jun 2024 #88

:-) LAS14 Jun 2024 #91

Sorry about being curt in my responses. I hope that the link I put on wnylib Jun 2024 #48

OK. Thanks. nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #54

The Jury Found TSF GUILT With All the Evidence Presented.. Cha Jun 2024 #49

Taxes-- viva la Jun 2024 #2

Thanks. Did the prosecution explain that in the trial? nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #9

I'm sure they did. The opening and closing arguments lasted for hours, and they'd go over the laws then viva la Jun 2024 #17

I don't believe they did in the opening statement, which I skimmed. LAS14 Jun 2024 #20

Those details were covered in the testimony of witnesses and wnylib Jun 2024 #31

obtuse adjective.... magicarpet Jun 2024 #84

His business records were falsified by Maeve Jun 2024 #3

Thanks. Was this explained and proved by the prosecution during the trial? nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #10

The jury found Trump guilty on all counts. viva la Jun 2024 #19

I'm talking about the underlying crimes that had to have been... LAS14 Jun 2024 #23

The jury heard all the evidence and made their decision based on the law. MichMan Jun 2024 #90

Best answer yet! forthemiddle Jun 2024 #101

Didn't you follow any of the NUMEROUS reports on the trial? wnylib Jun 2024 #37

From what I saw, yes. And that's what the jury said Maeve Jun 2024 #44

It was clear by the reports from NBC News reporters LiberalFighter Jun 2024 #59

Right. And I didn't find anyone addressing these particular issues. LAS14 Jun 2024 #61

Elie Jonig must be a clone of Jonathan Turley LiberalFighter Jun 2024 #69

My recollection of what the talking heads claimed about the judges charge was that all the ... Jim__ Jun 2024 #60

But were those other crimes proved during the trial? LAS14 Jun 2024 #62

Here's an excerpt from AP - the AP article contains external links. Jim__ Jun 2024 #66

Yes. Exhaustively. Happy Hoosier Jun 2024 #99

The services Pecker provided Trump via National Enquirer were illegal campaign donations. blm Jun 2024 #4

In what way illegal? Not saying they weren't. Just want to understand. And... LAS14 Jun 2024 #11

In-kind campaign donations. Prosecution used this blm Jun 2024 #16

Thanks!! Did the prosecution explain this in the trial? nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #21

Yes. Repeatedly. viva la Jun 2024 #25

Huh? It was brought up during Pecker's questioning and the summation. blm Jun 2024 #28

It is illegal to accept a contribution and not report it. viva la Jun 2024 #27

I agree that it would be good to get clear on this point. RandomNumbers Jun 2024 #5

Do we know WHICH campaign finance laws Cohen broke? The phrase... LAS14 Jun 2024 #12

We didn't sit and hear all the evidence. But the jury did. viva la Jun 2024 #22

Actually, the tax fraud was completely unrelated to trumps case getagrip_already Jun 2024 #43

election law EleanorR Jun 2024 #6

Yes, I hope someone can deliver those pics. Honig's "until right before... LAS14 Jun 2024 #14

It was laid out in the indictment. Link provided...below. cayugafalls Jun 2024 #42

Thanks! LAS14 Jun 2024 #92

Fear Uncertainty and Doubt. Oops, forgot to explain the acronym. lol cayugafalls Jun 2024 #100

The best that I could come up with was . . John1956PA Jun 2024 #102

I like your thinking. It makes sense. FUD leads to fud... cayugafalls Jun 2024 #103

New York violations madashelltoo Jun 2024 #7

Right. But WHAT violations? nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author wnylib Jun 2024 #38

This, sheesh. Ferrets are Cool Jun 2024 #86

Which was the claudette Jun 2024 #81

Look at it this way... Ohio Joe Jun 2024 #13

It can't be that simple. We are, after all, given a list of crimes... LAS14 Jun 2024 #18

" ALL falsifications of business records could be assumed to be in aid of covering up another crime" Ohio Joe Jun 2024 #33

Yes, it is that simple.... getagrip_already Jun 2024 #39

Take the trouble to read this link from ABC. It answers your questions. wnylib Jun 2024 #40

THANK YOU!!! nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #50

I think the 3 options were given so that the jury didn't waste unnecessary time trying to figure out trump's motives ecstatic Jun 2024 #47

I think it's: unblock Jun 2024 #29

It's a fair question, and ... Yup. I think this is it. AnrothElf Jun 2024 #65

Thank you! nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #93

If The Bopper Jun 2024 #30

Baloney. nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #71

Following the daily updates claudette Jun 2024 #80

Read the fucking judges jury instructions. aeromanKC Jun 2024 #34

Well, thanks for giving me the info I didn't have, that... LAS14 Jun 2024 #94

I thought you were a GOP mole aeromanKC Jun 2024 #98

The crime was the payoffs mercuryblues Jun 2024 #35

But which laws did he violate? TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #46

falsification of business records. mercuryblues Jun 2024 #68

He was convicted of violating a new york criminal law - Ms. Toad Jun 2024 #72

Thanks for the thorough explanation TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #73

You're welcome. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2024 #74

And none of it gets to a grand jury or through a grand jury if it is not a crime etc. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2024 #76

He was charged with violating a specific statute. Ms. Toad Jun 2024 #82

I second TexasDem69's reply. Very helpful! nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #95

That's not true... appmanga Jun 2024 #85

Thanks for the response TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #87

It's complicated and not easy to explain TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #45

12 carefully selected jurors were given all the facts. Aussie105 Jun 2024 #56

Here is a copy of the indictment and the law he was charged under. Jim__ Jun 2024 #57

Reading the thread and you dismiss all the replies makes me wonder... AnrothElf Jun 2024 #67

"You dismiss all the replies?????" I thanked a number of people!!! nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #70

When candidate spends money to further campaign, the expenditure must be reported, struggle4progress Jun 2024 #75

Good explanation also. Election interference is what the story is, may not be the Eliot Rosewater Jun 2024 #77

The way I understand it is that any politician who enters into an NDA must report it as a campaign contribution MichMan Jun 2024 #89

Thanks! nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #96

I remember the judge saying they did not need to be unanimous on which underlying crime each jurist was MLAA Jun 2024 #78

I could be wrong claudette Jun 2024 #79

By explanation, someone compared it to a murder where the body tavernier Jun 2024 #83

Excellent! That wasn't actually my question. LAS14 Jun 2024 #97