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45. It's complicated and not easy to explain

Sun Jun 2, 2024, 06:00 PM

Jun 2024

Unlike the charges accusing Trump of stealing classified documents. I still can’t tell you exactly what law he violated. Paying a porn star to keep quiet about an affair isn’t a crime, but apparently coupling that payment with a presidential campaign is? I think that’s why this conviction isn’t going to move the needle much re the presidential election.

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I'm still confused (Trump trial). [View all] LAS14 Jun 2024 OP

I have heard #1 referred to and defined multiple times, how his actions could interfere with the Eliot Rosewater Jun 2024 #1

Did it explain how it differed from just plain campaigning? LAS14 Jun 2024 #8

Trump paid David Pecker (National Enquirer) to kill negative stories about Trump and to wnylib Jun 2024 #24

"witholding info...that the voters had a right to know." LAS14 Jun 2024 #26

The method of "withholding info" was to pay off people to buy and kill the stories, which is an "in kind" campaign Grown2Hate Jun 2024 #32

Thanks! nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #51

I'm not quite sure why you are defending Trump wnylib Jun 2024 #36

What in the world makes you think I am defending Trump???????? nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #52

I misunderstood your questions. I apologize for the assumption. wnylib Jun 2024 #55

Do you watch that bothsider Smerconish regularly? brush Jun 2024 #58

Yep! I don't want to be one of those people caught in a bubble. nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #63

Ok, good to know...just another information silo. brush Jun 2024 #64

Here. I did the work for you. Now it's up to you to do the work of reading it. wnylib Jun 2024 #41

Grown2Hate beat you to the bunch and was much nicer about it. nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #53

Yes, probably was much nicer. I'm sorry for my rudeness. wnylib Jun 2024 #88

:-) LAS14 Jun 2024 #91

Sorry about being curt in my responses. I hope that the link I put on wnylib Jun 2024 #48

OK. Thanks. nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #54

The Jury Found TSF GUILT With All the Evidence Presented.. Cha Jun 2024 #49

Taxes-- viva la Jun 2024 #2

Thanks. Did the prosecution explain that in the trial? nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #9

I'm sure they did. The opening and closing arguments lasted for hours, and they'd go over the laws then viva la Jun 2024 #17

I don't believe they did in the opening statement, which I skimmed. LAS14 Jun 2024 #20

Those details were covered in the testimony of witnesses and wnylib Jun 2024 #31

obtuse adjective.... magicarpet Jun 2024 #84

His business records were falsified by Maeve Jun 2024 #3

Thanks. Was this explained and proved by the prosecution during the trial? nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #10

The jury found Trump guilty on all counts. viva la Jun 2024 #19

I'm talking about the underlying crimes that had to have been... LAS14 Jun 2024 #23

The jury heard all the evidence and made their decision based on the law. MichMan Jun 2024 #90

Best answer yet! forthemiddle Jun 2024 #101

Didn't you follow any of the NUMEROUS reports on the trial? wnylib Jun 2024 #37

From what I saw, yes. And that's what the jury said Maeve Jun 2024 #44

It was clear by the reports from NBC News reporters LiberalFighter Jun 2024 #59

Right. And I didn't find anyone addressing these particular issues. LAS14 Jun 2024 #61

Elie Jonig must be a clone of Jonathan Turley LiberalFighter Jun 2024 #69

My recollection of what the talking heads claimed about the judges charge was that all the ... Jim__ Jun 2024 #60

But were those other crimes proved during the trial? LAS14 Jun 2024 #62

Here's an excerpt from AP - the AP article contains external links. Jim__ Jun 2024 #66

Yes. Exhaustively. Happy Hoosier Jun 2024 #99

The services Pecker provided Trump via National Enquirer were illegal campaign donations. blm Jun 2024 #4

In what way illegal? Not saying they weren't. Just want to understand. And... LAS14 Jun 2024 #11

In-kind campaign donations. Prosecution used this blm Jun 2024 #16

Thanks!! Did the prosecution explain this in the trial? nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #21

Yes. Repeatedly. viva la Jun 2024 #25

Huh? It was brought up during Pecker's questioning and the summation. blm Jun 2024 #28

It is illegal to accept a contribution and not report it. viva la Jun 2024 #27

I agree that it would be good to get clear on this point. RandomNumbers Jun 2024 #5

Do we know WHICH campaign finance laws Cohen broke? The phrase... LAS14 Jun 2024 #12

We didn't sit and hear all the evidence. But the jury did. viva la Jun 2024 #22

Actually, the tax fraud was completely unrelated to trumps case getagrip_already Jun 2024 #43

election law EleanorR Jun 2024 #6

Yes, I hope someone can deliver those pics. Honig's "until right before... LAS14 Jun 2024 #14

It was laid out in the indictment. Link provided...below. cayugafalls Jun 2024 #42

Thanks! LAS14 Jun 2024 #92

Fear Uncertainty and Doubt. Oops, forgot to explain the acronym. lol cayugafalls Jun 2024 #100

The best that I could come up with was . . John1956PA Jun 2024 #102

I like your thinking. It makes sense. FUD leads to fud... cayugafalls Jun 2024 #103

New York violations madashelltoo Jun 2024 #7

Right. But WHAT violations? nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author wnylib Jun 2024 #38

This, sheesh. Ferrets are Cool Jun 2024 #86

Which was the claudette Jun 2024 #81

Look at it this way... Ohio Joe Jun 2024 #13

It can't be that simple. We are, after all, given a list of crimes... LAS14 Jun 2024 #18

" ALL falsifications of business records could be assumed to be in aid of covering up another crime" Ohio Joe Jun 2024 #33

Yes, it is that simple.... getagrip_already Jun 2024 #39

Take the trouble to read this link from ABC. It answers your questions. wnylib Jun 2024 #40

THANK YOU!!! nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #50

I think the 3 options were given so that the jury didn't waste unnecessary time trying to figure out trump's motives ecstatic Jun 2024 #47

I think it's: unblock Jun 2024 #29

It's a fair question, and ... Yup. I think this is it. AnrothElf Jun 2024 #65

Thank you! nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #93

If The Bopper Jun 2024 #30

Baloney. nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #71

Following the daily updates claudette Jun 2024 #80

Read the fucking judges jury instructions. aeromanKC Jun 2024 #34

Well, thanks for giving me the info I didn't have, that... LAS14 Jun 2024 #94

I thought you were a GOP mole aeromanKC Jun 2024 #98

The crime was the payoffs mercuryblues Jun 2024 #35

But which laws did he violate? TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #46

falsification of business records. mercuryblues Jun 2024 #68

He was convicted of violating a new york criminal law - Ms. Toad Jun 2024 #72

Thanks for the thorough explanation TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #73

You're welcome. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2024 #74

And none of it gets to a grand jury or through a grand jury if it is not a crime etc. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2024 #76

He was charged with violating a specific statute. Ms. Toad Jun 2024 #82

I second TexasDem69's reply. Very helpful! nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #95

That's not true... appmanga Jun 2024 #85

Thanks for the response TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #87

It's complicated and not easy to explain TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #45

12 carefully selected jurors were given all the facts. Aussie105 Jun 2024 #56

Here is a copy of the indictment and the law he was charged under. Jim__ Jun 2024 #57

Reading the thread and you dismiss all the replies makes me wonder... AnrothElf Jun 2024 #67

"You dismiss all the replies?????" I thanked a number of people!!! nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #70

When candidate spends money to further campaign, the expenditure must be reported, struggle4progress Jun 2024 #75

Good explanation also. Election interference is what the story is, may not be the Eliot Rosewater Jun 2024 #77

The way I understand it is that any politician who enters into an NDA must report it as a campaign contribution MichMan Jun 2024 #89

Thanks! nt LAS14 Jun 2024 #96

I remember the judge saying they did not need to be unanimous on which underlying crime each jurist was MLAA Jun 2024 #78

I could be wrong claudette Jun 2024 #79

By explanation, someone compared it to a murder where the body tavernier Jun 2024 #83

Excellent! That wasn't actually my question. LAS14 Jun 2024 #97