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76. Fact: you're the one who claimed we 'declared war on Sept 18, 2001'. If you meant we 'authorized

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:01 PM

Nov 2012

the use of military force,' you could have simply said so.

Um, Vietnam was not a 'war' properly speaking. I guess we would have to debate what the word 'war' means, but it usually refers to a military conflict between two relatively evenly matched nation states (or alliances thereof). Had Vietnam been a 'war' (properly speaking), the U.S. would have lost far more than the 54,000 soldiers it lost. (Think 1-2 million, roughly what the Vietnamese lost.)

Likewise, Afghanistan and Iraq were\are not 'wars' since there was no declaration of war, nor were the sides evenly matched. Again, had it actually been a war, the U.S. would have lost far more than the 5,000 soliders it actually did lose. (Think 1-2 million, roughly what the Iraqi casualty count was.)

How dare you accuse me of 'dissing soldiers,' since I have been vigiling with them (Veterans for Peace and Iraq Vets Against the War) for some 8 years on a bi- and tri-weekly basis and have participated in Arlington West on more than one weekend. What did you do to support the troops or stop the wars? In fact, why don't you go fuck yourself?

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Bipartisan Resolution to Compel White House to Release Legal Justification for Drone Strikes [View all] G_j Nov 2012 OP

I wish we had drones in the 1930s before Hitler killed his first person. Reason enough graham4anything Nov 2012 #1

Your lack of knowledge of history and WWII is only overshadowed SomethingFishy Nov 2012 #2

I am a Jew myself. I resent you wanting the Hitlers of the world to attack us like on 9-11 graham4anything Nov 2012 #3

You may be willing to live under a surveillance by drone state, Are_grits_groceries Nov 2012 #7

As a Progressive Democrat I abhor the adaption of Bush policies which we fought so sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #19

I'd have been just fine with Bush drone striking Osama Bin Laden at Tora Bora. You? nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #31

yup! graham4anything Nov 2012 #37

Cynthia McKinney spent her last weeks in Congress probing the CIA assassination of Tupac Shakur. msanthrope Nov 2012 #38

fine, you will jump at any chance to attack Kucinich G_j Nov 2012 #46

If the drone issue was so damn serious to Dennis, why did he wait for the Lame Duck session? msanthrope Nov 2012 #58

You got it backwards. Hitler would be the one using the drones. redgreenandblue Nov 2012 #5

Unchecked power? He won an election acting like Ron or Rand Paul. By charisma graham4anything Nov 2012 #6

Was there a war declared? Are_grits_groceries Nov 2012 #9

Didn't Ron Paul vote for Afghanastan? graham4anything Nov 2012 #10

There have been votes about funding for Are_grits_groceries Nov 2012 #15

actually I think George Washington did too. It is in the constitution graham4anything Nov 2012 #16

Please send me the exact spot that this is located: Are_grits_groceries Nov 2012 #18

the serenity canard applies. Change/Accept/Know the difference graham4anything Nov 2012 #30

funding=for it graham4anything Nov 2012 #17

Thank god for people like Dennis Kucinich who stood up against Bush's illegal sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #22

+1000 G_j Nov 2012 #24

Kucinich voted for war in the AUMF of 9/18/2001. I hate to bring facts into this. nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #36

I prefer to move forward on social issues. Wars have been fought for a million years now graham4anything Nov 2012 #26

That is all fine and good btw, but it doesn't get things passed. It is all best in show graham4anything Nov 2012 #27

You seem to have a habit of attaching comments to other people's comments and then sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #61

I almost always agree with Congressman Kucinich. kossp Nov 2012 #62

Kucinich voted for war in the AUMF of 9/18/2001, invoking the War Powers Act. msanthrope Nov 2012 #33

Yes. Ron Paul voted for it. The AUMF of 9/18/2001 invoking the War Powers Act. msanthrope Nov 2012 #32

Your ignorance of history (and of German history in particular) is breathtaking. Hitler coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #40

What point is this? Technically, neither did Bill Clinton BECAUSE OF IDIOTIC THIRD PARTIES graham4anything Nov 2012 #43

My point was to point out how your historical analogy is an EPIC FAIL because coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #44

He wasn't in charge then? All the killings were due to someone else? He was singular. graham4anything Nov 2012 #45

You remained conveniently, albeit understandably, silent before coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #51

I just answered it. graham4anything Nov 2012 #56

OK, so your answer for the record is that you are willing to sacrifice 50 German civilians coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #69

How many of the 20 million killed actually would have? BTW-Einstein was Jewish. graham4anything Nov 2012 #74

I'll let the facts speak for themselves: You will gladly sacrifice 50 German children to coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #78

Your whole argument is bogus. Who said anyone else but Mr. Hitler would die? graham4anything Nov 2012 #85

You clearly have not been paying attention to the gist of this thread which is that coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #89

My read on his position is that he would sacrifice 19.9 million to save 20 million. Bonobo Nov 2012 #90

He would sacrifice 19.9 million on the mere off chance he might save 20 million. But yeah coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #91

Anti-semitism and nationalism are what enabled Hitler who then used those coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #42

Or in the 1800's. raouldukelives Nov 2012 #11

more than 6 million have died in congo & the us is in the middle of the action. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #20

And then another one zipplewrath Nov 2012 #34

How many German civilians would you have been willing to sacrifice to coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #39

BTW- I don't like the house (which is republican) attempting to upsurp Presidential powers graham4anything Nov 2012 #4

Don't presidents have authority to assassinate U.S. citizens now? DerekG Nov 2012 #8

If I remember my civics class from a long time ago kossp Nov 2012 #12

The President should not have the power to summarily execute anyone without coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #48

I don't think so either. kossp Nov 2012 #53

Welcome to DU kossp. I could not agree with you more. I do not believe they sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #63

Thank you kindly. kossp Nov 2012 #65

I do not know the origin either, but it seems to have begun openly during the Bush sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #67

Actually, it's the "pseudo left" that have become silent or outright support extra-judicial coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #92

Is execution without trial a presidential power now? when did they write that into the HiPointDem Nov 2012 #21

Osama Bin Laden should have had a trial? When we declare war (as we did on 9/18/2001) msanthrope Nov 2012 #41

There was no Declaration of War on 9/18/2001. I defy you to coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #50

Right here--and we went to war in Afghanistan on it-- msanthrope Nov 2012 #55

Gee, that's funny. The link you give me references a piece of legislation called coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #59

Vietnam was not a war? Afghanistan and Iraq are not wars? The Constitution does not msanthrope Nov 2012 #73

Fact: you're the one who claimed we 'declared war on Sept 18, 2001'. If you meant we 'authorized coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #76

Yes. We declared war, invoking the War Powers Act under the auspices of Article 1, Section 8. Read msanthrope Nov 2012 #81

Um, no, actually my profanity was directed at the asshole who accused me of coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #83

Well, yes, I do think it is disrespectful to tell a war veteran that what they served in wasn't a msanthrope Nov 2012 #84

No, but then they were never so assinine as to claim that the U.S. declared war. In fact, I was coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #86

A war vet told you he wasn't in a war and you decided to base your knowledge of civics msanthrope Nov 2012 #94

First I was 'dissing soldiers' and now I'm a 'birther.' It's off to Ignore coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #96

Yes, I find that claiming that war veterans didn't actually serve in a war to be a disrespectful msanthrope Nov 2012 #99

Congress hasn't declared war since 1941. eom TransitJohn Nov 2012 #77

Watch out or you'll be accused of 'dissing soldiers' :) - n/t coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #79

That argument was tried in the 70's, as a means to avoid the draft. It didn't work msanthrope Nov 2012 #82

So bow to your masters while they control your life Ter Nov 2012 #98

War by any means is NOT the answer. If our policies do not match out rhetoric. kelliekat44 Nov 2012 #13

Good. Lucinda Nov 2012 #14

K&R PETRUS Nov 2012 #23

"Bipartisan Resolution" ProSense Nov 2012 #25

Kucinich - Paul bipartisanship is OK, I guess...nt SidDithers Nov 2012 #29

Fuck Ron Paul...nt SidDithers Nov 2012 #28

And Kucinich is on his way out the door. RomneyLies Nov 2012 #47

Kucinich will always care... Octafish Nov 2012 #35

I think I died and woke up on a Ron Paul website graham4anything Nov 2012 #49

intellectual dishonesty G_j Nov 2012 #52

It's Ron Paul's bill. Ron Paul did not sign Kucinich's impeachment bill back then. graham4anything Nov 2012 #54

Truth be told, I don't care whose bill it is!!!!! kossp Nov 2012 #60

Of course you are right. woo me with science Nov 2012 #72

It might actually mean something if it included Congress members who will also be members in the RomneyLies Nov 2012 #57

That's a stellar third grade argument. woo me with science Nov 2012 #71

LOL - Good one! - n/t coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #80

So your political opinions are based on what? Bonobo Nov 2012 #88

I am against the NRA and guns and lobby groups & republibertarianstea party graham4anything Nov 2012 #93

Nothing wrong with drone strikes. sagat Nov 2012 #64

Respectfully, you're ok with the killing of innocent kossp Nov 2012 #66

Due Process and Presumption of Innocence are so coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #68

So you would have no issue with another country using them on us? Marrah_G Nov 2012 #95

Bravo! I wish I could rec this reply a million times to the heavens. You cut coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #97

Emphatic K&R - n/t coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #70

Kick for the right thing RobertEarl Nov 2012 #75

Thank you. Unending drone attacks... Bonobo Nov 2012 #87