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TheKentuckian

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125. That and pulling Sibelius out of Kansas was straight boneheaded

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:24 PM

Nov 2012

You don't take down hard won fire walls in rough states like that. Even with looming term limits you hold the line as long as possible and maintain whatever infrastructure you have for the next round.

I don't know why we always have to go with names instead of using these positions to jewel up a deeper bench and in some cases to remove an obstacle and make them be an asset in an area of expertise (well, except all their guys are know nothings, corporate hacks, and immoral doctors).
Why can't we elevate some safe city mayors, Lt. Governors, maybe some people from different walks of life, and certainly to rehab fallen stars that still have good rubber on the wheels?

I think we should be more creative and have real search committees that dig deeper with shrewd strategies at work.

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There is some serious cowardice going on here about John Kerry's seat. [View all] MessiahRp Nov 2012 OP

Well said. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #1

pfffft...rice will do fine. ret5hd Nov 2012 #2

I agree. I love Hillary Clinton, but Hillary was a one term Senator before being appointed politicaljunkie41910 Nov 2012 #42

Hilary has done a fantastic job as SOS, liberalhistorian Nov 2012 #65

The way I see it jonthebru Nov 2012 #70

I believe John Kerry ProSense Nov 2012 #3

I don't disagree that Kerry does respect Rice. MessiahRp Nov 2012 #5

so expressing a contrary opinion is cowardice now roguevalley Nov 2012 #61

The interesting thing is that the people using the word Coward don't know a fucking thing about bluestate10 Nov 2012 #85

I agree. I don't wish that for your state either. :( roguevalley Nov 2012 #137

S. Brown fear is valid. Name recognition + special election = victory. Ask Arnold and Californians zonkers Nov 2012 #6

LOL are you comparing Brown's recognition to one of the biggest movie stars on the planet? MessiahRp Nov 2012 #11

True. But anything can happen in a special election. zonkers Nov 2012 #25

And you don't need name recognition. zeemike Nov 2012 #66

Since it's the Senate, I don't think there would be a special election Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #67

Again, a person that doesn't understand what they are posting. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #115

That law has been in effect since 2004 Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #122

Under Massachusetts law, yes, there would be a special election. Jim Lane Nov 2012 #124

I just did a little research... it seems that zonkers Nov 2012 #133

He has name recognition, adieu Nov 2012 #39

He also has money and organization I am not aware of another daa Nov 2012 #63

Having lived in MA... Chan790 Nov 2012 #68

Every special election is different Gman Nov 2012 #78

The thing is, California now is better positioned for a Special Election than my state of bluestate10 Nov 2012 #89

Feinstein could do the job. She would be great. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #117

I've never seen a video or read an article suggesting Kerry longs for the job of SoS. freshwest Nov 2012 #53

+1,000 David Zephyr Nov 2012 #116

Why do you believe Kerry is better qualified? BainsBane Nov 2012 #4

Kerry has been in the SFRC for years MessiahRp Nov 2012 #9

A persuasive argument BainsBane Nov 2012 #28

Rice has been a diplomat since the early 90s. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #91

At some point or another, this Benghazi BS that the Republicans are trying to perpetuate Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2012 #95

Unrec...it's not bullshit to be concerened about Brown winning Kerry's seat... joeybee12 Nov 2012 #7

But wouldn't it be fun to kick his ass twice? Laurian Nov 2012 #8

He might not even want to run... joeybee12 Nov 2012 #14

Kind of like assuming Rice is the President's choice for SoS... DonViejo Nov 2012 #19

Scott Brown will run. He is an entitled asshole. He won't give up that chance if it comes. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #93

Yeah he is known statewide... as an asshole and racist. The last campaign EXPOSED him. MessiahRp Nov 2012 #10

Disagree...it wasn't a blow-out... joeybee12 Nov 2012 #13

Which is why he out-performed Romney by 20 points. jeff47 Nov 2012 #16

He outperformed Romney because Romney was even worse than Brown MessiahRp Nov 2012 #51

Yet that still doesn't change he out-performed Romney by 20 points. jeff47 Nov 2012 #71

Brown got over 1.2 million votes has a 1 million vote base. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #96

If you can't see the threat Brown poses Proud Public Servant Nov 2012 #12

That mean's nothing. ProSense Nov 2012 #15

She barely kicked his ass. jeff47 Nov 2012 #18

A come-from-behind candidate beats a popular incumbent by 8 points ProSense Nov 2012 #21

You're completely ignoring how much better he did than Romney. jeff47 Nov 2012 #40

No, I'm not. ProSense Nov 2012 #43

And they're fond of Brown. Just slightly less than they are of Warren. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2012 #46

They were. ProSense Nov 2012 #50

Is ignoring the real world and the last special election the job of Democrats? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2012 #73

Do you not understand how overwhelmingly liberal MA is? Chan790 Nov 2012 #77

Again, special elections greatly favor Republicans. That's true everywhere. jeff47 Nov 2012 #88

There is nothing to gain by arguing with this poster. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #98

8 points over an incumbent is NOT a close race. MessiahRp Nov 2012 #23

Doing 20% better than Romney shows he's still quite popular. jeff47 Nov 2012 #41

Exactly Gman Nov 2012 #80

In AZ in 2009 Obama took our Democratic Gov, and we got The Grim Brewer NAO Nov 2012 #17

Yeah because AZ and KS are quality comparisons MessiahRp Nov 2012 #22

That and pulling Sibelius out of Kansas was straight boneheaded TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #125

She isn't being attacked by the media but by three gop senators who are partisan julian09 Nov 2012 #20

#2 and 3 are not correct frazzled Nov 2012 #24

Nice try - pushing a racism charge out there. MessiahRp Nov 2012 #31

You have in no way addressed the issue of qualifications frazzled Nov 2012 #52

she's also a warhawk that said EVERYONE knew that saddam had WMD.. frylock Nov 2012 #56

Are you sure you don't mean Condoleezza Rice? DeltaLitProf Nov 2012 #72

My won't you blush frazzled Nov 2012 #84

i went through my post and nowhere did i advocate for kerry.. frylock Nov 2012 #131

AMEN!! nt K8-EEE Nov 2012 #26

Ed Markey for the win. dchill Nov 2012 #27

There's a few flaws in your argument jeff47 Nov 2012 #29

One of my concerns is if we Massachusetts democrats don't win a Special Election, bluestate10 Nov 2012 #102

"Cowardice" is a ridiculous way to put it BeyondGeography Nov 2012 #30

Juvenile? MessiahRp Nov 2012 #34

Hey, I love Kerry BeyondGeography Nov 2012 #38

Governor Deval Patrick can beat Brown, but he is the only democrat in the state now that can do that bluestate10 Nov 2012 #103

Your post would be more convincing if you named ONE MA Dem who can beat Brown. 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #32

Patrick or Markey. There's two. MessiahRp Nov 2012 #36

46.3% of the state is already in Brown's back pocket 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #57

Patrick has said he wants to finish his term. jeff47 Nov 2012 #74

Do you live in Massachusetts? If not I suggest that you stand down with the BS. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #104

That's all well and good.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2012 #33

Then she should be disqualified for other things. MessiahRp Nov 2012 #35

Kerry ones far more Keystone stock and more energy stocks in general than Rice does. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #105

Source please - even the DKos diary simply said he had other stocks karynnj Nov 2012 #134

After the fucking fight we just had here in Mass to get Warren elected... Marrah_G Nov 2012 #37

So you speak for all MA Dems? MessiahRp Nov 2012 #45

I just think your rant was a but much Marrah_G Nov 2012 #49

You're shortchanging your state. MessiahRp Nov 2012 #100

It is becoming more and more clear to me that you don't know a fucking thing about my state bluestate10 Nov 2012 #107

Yes, YOU are the arbiter of all MA Dems MessiahRp Nov 2012 #127

No. But I don't suffer fools gladly. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #128

The poster speaks for me. I live in Massachusetts and know how tough the last 3 races were. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #106

John Kerry may be qualified, and a wonderful guy, BUT SoCalDem Nov 2012 #44

How does one seat in the Senate change anything? MessiahRp Nov 2012 #47

Fine. No appointment is guaranteed for 4 years. SoCalDem Nov 2012 #54

In 2014, we Massachusetts democrats will have Kerry, or Deval Patrick, or Joe Kennedy III to defend bluestate10 Nov 2012 #108

In 2014, whoever wins the election (or Kerry) will have to run for re-election karynnj Nov 2012 #135

I don't think it's cowardice Flatpicker Nov 2012 #48

At this point I still support Rice tularetom Nov 2012 #55

Brown is not just any Republican. Qutzupalotl Nov 2012 #58

Massachusetts here... sheshe2 Nov 2012 #76

Granted, she did kick his ass, Qutzupalotl Nov 2012 #94

Brown has a million vote base that came out in the special election that he won. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #110

Brown would have no chance taintedtriumph Nov 2012 #59

Well said my friend and welcome to DU. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #60

EXACTLY! MessiahRp Nov 2012 #90

I live in Massachusetts. Brown has a million vote base, which is enormous in a Special Election bluestate10 Nov 2012 #111

Coakley got a million votes. ProSense Nov 2012 #118

If you're into tar sands... The Old Creak Nov 2012 #62

Kerry owns something like 3 times the amount of tar sands. What about that? nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #112

Sorry, but spineless, pedantic liberalhistorian Nov 2012 #64

He's already been absolutely vital in MANY foreign policy negotiations MessiahRp Nov 2012 #101

Oh, I get it now. Anyone who liberalhistorian Nov 2012 #129

We have a democratic Governor in Massachusetts. He is very popular and is the only democrat here bluestate10 Nov 2012 #113

The President is laughing his ass off! SCVDem Nov 2012 #69

Yeah why not give every cabinet position to Republicans? WHAT A GREAT IDEA! MessiahRp Nov 2012 #99

thanks for saying what needed to be said Gman Nov 2012 #75

Yeah, but maybe you're forgetting that Brown Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #79

Kerry owns more stock in Keystone that Rice does. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #81

I was waiting for you to troll this. Especially since Obama will have "LOST YOU" if he picks Kerry. MessiahRp Nov 2012 #86

President Obama can pick Kerry if he wants. But me and other Massachusetts democrats will have bluestate10 Nov 2012 #119

Yet he would LOSE YOU if he picked Kerry. That's YOUR quote. MessiahRp Nov 2012 #126

The quote was over the top. I could not believe the President was seriously thinking about putting bluestate10 Nov 2012 #130

Susan Rice will do just as good a job as Hillary Clinton has done. nt MzShellG Nov 2012 #82

Teddy's seat could never go republican... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2012 #83

Thanks to a pathetic candidate. MessiahRp Nov 2012 #87

I wouldn't think so... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2012 #97

Coakley easily beat every other candidate in the primary. She would even have beaten Deval Patrick bluestate10 Nov 2012 #121

The 5 greatest presidents ever-LINCOLN-FDR-LBJ-CARTER-OBAMA graham4anything Nov 2012 #92

Don't like Edwards, but, why post that he ran a whispering campaign as 'great white male hope' blm Nov 2012 #109

John Kerry did not challenge the Ohio election results in 2004. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #114

Even though I am wary about appointing ANY senator... NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #120

I think this discussion is moot. The Pres will appoint who he wants. nm rhett o rick Nov 2012 #123

I'm not in love with Rice. I can't get an argument against Kerry for almost TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #132

Kerry is tar sand man tama Nov 2012 #136