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In reply to the discussion: No matter what one feels about Jamaal Bowman, and I might have voted against him had I lived in his CD [View all]lapucelle
(21,061 posts)153. Do you have any evidence for that claim? Clearly, Clyburn had to whip GOP crossover votes
to get the bill to Biden's desk.
Pelosi and Clyburn were certainly aware that there were some Democrats who intended to vote with the majority of Republicans, but where does the assertion that those votes were "cleared" come from?
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SC's Jim Clyburn takes credit for whipping 13 GOP votes for Biden's infrastructure package
NORTH CHARLESTON House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn took credit for securing the 13 GOP votes necessary to push President Joe Biden's bipartisan infrastructure plan across the finish line last week, but some Republicans are saying Democratic pressure is overblown.
Speaking to reporters at the Berkeley-Charleston-Dorchester Council of Governments office in North Charleston on Nov. 9, the Democratic congressman from Columbia took some credit over the passage of the bill, which will bring $6 billion in federal dollars to South Carolina.
"I indirectly whipped those votes," Clyburn told The Post and Courier. "I had members in the caucus assigned to certain Republican people that I couldn't talk to and that's how we got those votes."
NORTH CHARLESTON House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn took credit for securing the 13 GOP votes necessary to push President Joe Biden's bipartisan infrastructure plan across the finish line last week, but some Republicans are saying Democratic pressure is overblown.
Speaking to reporters at the Berkeley-Charleston-Dorchester Council of Governments office in North Charleston on Nov. 9, the Democratic congressman from Columbia took some credit over the passage of the bill, which will bring $6 billion in federal dollars to South Carolina.
"I indirectly whipped those votes," Clyburn told The Post and Courier. "I had members in the caucus assigned to certain Republican people that I couldn't talk to and that's how we got those votes."
https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/scs-jim-clyburn-takes-credit-for-whipping-13-gop-votes-for-bidens-infrastructure-package/article_64e731c6-4191-11ec-89d2-af61ab228177.html
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SC to get $6B from the infrastructure bill. How Jim Clyburn got it to Bidens desk
Congressman Jim Clyburn was confident he would secure enough votes to pass President Joe Bidens infrastructure bill after a day of arm twisting, which put Democrats on the precipice of their most important legislative victory since the party reclaimed the White House. But there were a handful of holdouts who Clyburn, the chief vote counter for House Democrats, had outstanding concerns about heading into the Friday evening vote.
The South Carolina congressman and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi gathered with staff just off the House floor in a small, gilded, gold room that had little more than a printer, chairs and a monitor that displays vote totals. Pelosi was speaking to the president on her cell phone and asked Clyburn to update Biden on the status of negotiations.
I need you to talk to him, to explain to him where we are, Clyburn recalled Pelosi telling him. So I told the president that I thought that we were in a good place. That we could pass a bill. But I thought that he needed to get on the phone with several people.
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And I told him I thought he just needed to let them know that its time to pass this bill, and we need to do it tonight. And he did. He got on the phone with those people, Clyburn said.
Congressman Jim Clyburn was confident he would secure enough votes to pass President Joe Bidens infrastructure bill after a day of arm twisting, which put Democrats on the precipice of their most important legislative victory since the party reclaimed the White House. But there were a handful of holdouts who Clyburn, the chief vote counter for House Democrats, had outstanding concerns about heading into the Friday evening vote.
The South Carolina congressman and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi gathered with staff just off the House floor in a small, gilded, gold room that had little more than a printer, chairs and a monitor that displays vote totals. Pelosi was speaking to the president on her cell phone and asked Clyburn to update Biden on the status of negotiations.
I need you to talk to him, to explain to him where we are, Clyburn recalled Pelosi telling him. So I told the president that I thought that we were in a good place. That we could pass a bill. But I thought that he needed to get on the phone with several people.
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And I told him I thought he just needed to let them know that its time to pass this bill, and we need to do it tonight. And he did. He got on the phone with those people, Clyburn said.
https://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/article255742646.html
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No matter what one feels about Jamaal Bowman, and I might have voted against him had I lived in his CD [View all]
dsc
Jun 2024
OP
It was money well spent. Any candidate who denies Hamas rape attacks, engages in 9/11 truther nonsense, votes against
tritsofme
Jun 2024
#2
He voted with MAGA Republicans against Biden's policy. He basically lost 60/40.
emulatorloo
Jun 2024
#7
Nobody is disputing that NY-16 is blue either. It's a Biden +51.5 district. N/T
lapucelle
Jun 2024
#149
That's fine with me. Democrats will hold NY-14, 15, and 16. It's NY-17 that we need to flip.
lapucelle
Jun 2024
#167
My point is that it is inaccurate to say that AOC's district is in the Bronx.
lapucelle
Jun 2024
#160
Before you did research you said that AOC grew up in Westchester and I answered "So", her district is in NYC...
brush
Jun 2024
#162
I think his problem is that they were NOT constituency based, and his constituency didn't like it.
Dorian Gray
Jun 2024
#20
Do you have any evidence for that claim? Clearly, Clyburn had to whip GOP crossover votes
lapucelle
Jun 2024
#153
The infrastructure bill did not include tax increases. That was a Republican talking point.
lapucelle
Jun 2024
#168
I think that's what Ace was saying that he would have lost even without AIPAC's contributions NT
AZSkiffyGeek
Jun 2024
#29
They are a lobbying organization with one issue - supporting Israel. So you would be ok when
Nanjeanne
Jun 2024
#46
That is a different argument, I responded to the false comparison of AIPAC to Putin's interference.
tritsofme
Jun 2024
#50
AIPAC is made up US Citizens and IS NOT a foreign government. Surely you know this and understand
emulatorloo
Jun 2024
#40
I agree completely, which is why I would never do such a thing. But that is great advice in general!
tritsofme
Jun 2024
#86
False. His opponent was as well known as he was. HE blew it with his attitude.
oldsoftie
Jun 2024
#63
Bowman voted 94% on Biden's agenda. The votes where he differed are some that were expected and
Nanjeanne
Jun 2024
#11
He lost essentially by 60/40. No amount of money causes an effective incumbent rep to lose by that much.
emulatorloo
Jun 2024
#30
Oh please. Smear fellow DUers. By saying I was disappointed in the fact that lobbying money is
Nanjeanne
Jun 2024
#43
You wrote it, Nanejeanne. You clearly stated DU'ers are cheering an "assault on democracy"
emulatorloo
Jun 2024
#48
Yes. Constituents were unhappy with the status quo. Happens in politics. No need for elaborate money conspiracies.
betsuni
Jun 2024
#109
In May, Nihad Awad hosted a high dollar fundraiser for Bowman at a private home in VA.
lapucelle
Jun 2024
#57
Really really strange. Would love an explanation. Maybe site owners could untangle what just happened.
emulatorloo
Jun 2024
#104
I doubt they have much reason, this is a D+20 district, the Democratic primary is the final word.
tritsofme
Jun 2024
#16
Kind of hard to reconcile with President Biden and Leader Jeffries being amongst AIPAC's largest recipients.
tritsofme
Jun 2024
#76
That is ridiculous. Latimer is not Joe Manchin. And I sure as hell wish we still had Joe...the Senate is looking tough
Demsrule86
Jun 2024
#39
Bowman ddn't pull the fire alarm? The vote wasn't delayed because the Capitol was evacuated?
AZSkiffyGeek
Jun 2024
#91
The money was because of Bowman's unpopular views. There is a large percentage of Jewish Americans in that district.
Demsrule86
Jun 2024
#38
What you say is true, but I understand over $20 million was spent for Latimer to win.
patphil
Jun 2024
#45
That is not Latimer's fault...Bowman was unpopular...in an area which has a substantial number of Jewish voters, he
Demsrule86
Jun 2024
#58
Primaries are two way streets...Progressives have primaryed sitting Democrats which annoys me but is their right.
Demsrule86
Jun 2024
#36
I find it odd that people decry Latimer primarying Bowman because "you don't primary Democrats"
AZSkiffyGeek
Jun 2024
#42
There are all manner of conclusions one can draw from Bowman's loss and the money invested to defeat him, but....
jaxexpat
Jun 2024
#61
The conclusion I draw from such info is that AIPAC has money enough to budget some on needless(?) insurance.
jaxexpat
Jun 2024
#92
Yes, I know that there is a difference between an assumption and a deduction.
lapucelle
Jun 2024
#113
I have the answer. AIPAC doesn't support / endorse / raise money for presidential candidates. N/T
lapucelle
Jun 2024
#127
AIPAC doesn't support / endorse / raise money for presidential candidates. N/T
lapucelle
Jun 2024
#121
A day without a conspiracy theory accusing Democrats of evil right-wing motivations is like a day without sunshine.
betsuni
Jun 2024
#128
I was waiting for it, but he probably remembered Katie Porter's rigged comment.
betsuni
Jun 2024
#112
Now we're just calling it "Jewish money"? The veils have really come off lately.
tritsofme
Jun 2024
#90
The magic word "grassroots" purifies money,. THEY are corrupted by (repeat long list of evil enemies & villains).
betsuni
Jun 2024
#117
The lack of gracious winning in a Democratic primary has been pretty gross
Prairie Gates
Jun 2024
#114
Bowman and the squad were elected through the use of dark money sources
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2024
#118