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eridani

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8. The cuts can be stopped IF DEMS MAKE IT AN EFFING ISSUE!

Fri Jan 20, 2012, 06:13 AM

Jan 2012

It is a huge winning issue, and it is too damned bad that people like Obama and Wyden are weakening us here.

I frankly don't believe that liberals in any state sat home. When Dean was DNC Chair, we had a 50 state strategy, and every state got financial help and paid organizers to help build party structure. As of 2008, that strategy was shitcanned, and you can blame that for the disentegration of party GOTV in states that were just beginning to recover organizationally. OFA preferred messaging based on laundry lists instead of on clear progressive values, and that was very damaging.

WA State lost less ground because we had a strong party structure before Dean.

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How Obama outsmarts his critics -- on the left and on the right. [View all] pnwmom Jan 2012 OP

Oversize pant load. T S Justly Jan 2012 #1

but you have "nearly universal health care"... except for the tens of millions who don't nt msongs Jan 2012 #2

It hasn't fully taken effect yet. No one knows how many will fall through the cracks then. pnwmom Jan 2012 #9

True, Mass. ranks #1 for healthcare in the country. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #35

The numbers are wonderful for the 85% majority who won't get expensively sick eridani Jan 2012 #64

And you're STILL ignoring that most of the reforms aren't in effect yet? TheWraith Jan 2012 #106

Wrong. In MA very similar reforms have been in effect for several years eridani Jan 2012 #110

we were up to nearly 50 million uninsured Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #25

It isn't a matter of not being able to cover everyone. bornskeptic Jan 2012 #38

X 2 AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #5

HUH? DiverDave Jan 2012 #20

Dupe from Good Reads eridani Jan 2012 #3

I responded to your elitist aplogia in Good Reads. joshcryer Jan 2012 #4

It's the snotty beltway people and their apologists who are the elitists eridani Jan 2012 #6

Fortunately for you, you live in a state that actually GOTV in 2010. joshcryer Jan 2012 #7

The cuts can be stopped IF DEMS MAKE IT AN EFFING ISSUE! eridani Jan 2012 #8

I remember reading that the percent of African American voters was smaller in 2010 when Obama pnwmom Jan 2012 #10

The vote count proves that they sat home. joshcryer Jan 2012 #75

In 2006 we had Howard Dean and the 50 state strategy eridani Jan 2012 #79

It was worse than 2002. It was worse than 1998. joshcryer Jan 2012 #83

Excuse me, but Democrats demoralized the base by not aggressively going after- eridani Jan 2012 #87

What do you mean "going after tehadist lies"? You already showed that you agreed with those lies. joshcryer Jan 2012 #95

The Catfood Commission was presented to the general public as tasked with reducing eridani Jan 2012 #97

the average voter never knew anything about it;still doesn't. IMHO arely staircase Jan 2012 #102

The people in my precinct had not a clue about who was on the commission-- eridani Jan 2012 #108

And who appointed the Catfood Commission? MannyGoldstein Jan 2012 #14

Post-partisan Obama who said he'd look at deficits? joshcryer Jan 2012 #74

Wonderful. Let's keep campaign promises even if they contradict what voters want eridani Jan 2012 #80

You gotta respect him for that. I personally saw his deficit hawking and war hawking... joshcryer Jan 2012 #82

I respect him for many things, but not that eridani Jan 2012 #86

Social Security is forbidden by law to add to the deficit. MannyGoldstein Jan 2012 #98

THANK YOU. woo me with science Jan 2012 #18

+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #28

Jeez, didn't know Obama was going eradicate world poverty in 3 yrs. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #45

Ending world poverty = eridani Jan 2012 #61

Wow! Wind Dancer Jan 2012 #112

Assimilating the language and accepting the conservative policy toolbox are not things to develop a TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #17

You nailed it. Republican talking points are now bipartisan talking points woo me with science Jan 2012 #19

Why not? Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #51

No, just some people posting in this thread n/t eridani Jan 2012 #62

Those "assimilating the language" are those who bought the Republican lies and... joshcryer Jan 2012 #73

Obama killed us in 2010 by appointing a deficit commission in the first place eridani Jan 2012 #81

Another campaign promise kept. What's interesting is that instead... joshcryer Jan 2012 #84

Why would the general public think that the commission didn't mean business? eridani Jan 2012 #88

Activists should've known better, a lot of them did, particularly in the cities. joshcryer Jan 2012 #90

GOTV does NOT work unless voters think that things will change in their lives eridani Jan 2012 #93

What in the world is it to appreciate about these commitees that Obama forces? TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #104

Phrased differently, Obama's major accomplishments are: 1) he paid Wall Street trillions so leveymg Jan 2012 #11

You forgot something WonderGrunion Jan 2012 #15

That's all you got? You've gotta be kidding. leveymg Jan 2012 #24

We are almost at war with Iran, and he started 5 more wars? snooper2 Jan 2012 #39

Sane people don't laugh about wars, assassinations, sabotage and embargoes. leveymg Jan 2012 #55

No, laughing at your over-the-top comments...so 5 wars...name them please snooper2 Jan 2012 #56

Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen, Libya . . . leveymg Jan 2012 #58

mkay snooper2 Jan 2012 #60

A perfect example of the Dems' serious messaging problem eridani Jan 2012 #63

their opponents have messaging problems too, case in point arely staircase Jan 2012 #103

My neighbors understood well enough when I canvassed them in 2010 n/t eridani Jan 2012 #109

then i draw the conclusion that your neighbors keep up with current events much more than the arely staircase Jan 2012 #111

They don't actually. But I've developed enough trust as a PCO eridani Jan 2012 #114

very well done fascisthunter Jan 2012 #26

Excellent article.. DCBob Jan 2012 #12

Real unemployment is 15% and steady MannyGoldstein Jan 2012 #13

And Obama killed Social Security too!!!! JoePhilly Jan 2012 #21

No. But he called for it to be slashed. MannyGoldstein Jan 2012 #33

Obama never called for Social Security to be slashed. Why are you pretending? n/t pnwmom Jan 2012 #40

No? What do you think the "grand bargain" was all about? eridani Jan 2012 #65

Make NO mistakes, it WAS President Obama who offered cuts to Social Security. bvar22 Jan 2012 #67

Wait ... I know ... he's going to annouce his plan to gut SS at the State of the Union!!!!! JoePhilly Jan 2012 #46

He suggested that it be cut at the SOTU MannyGoldstein Jan 2012 #68

"suggested" ... that's your new position ...?????? JoePhilly Jan 2012 #70

Oh, he demanded cuts to Social Security, just not at the SOTU MannyGoldstein Jan 2012 #89

and where is your repeated whine about the cat food commission? Sheepshank Jan 2012 #34

Pointing out an attack on Social Security is "whining"? MannyGoldstein Jan 2012 #37

I see you don't get it eridani Jan 2012 #66

Yup, it isn't really attempted murder if you survive the attack, no matter how many attacks. TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #107

Steady? It was near 19 a year or so ago. dmallind Jan 2012 #41

I read 21% 2 yrs ago, seems like it's declining, which means not holding steady. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #44

Yep - the facts sure seem that way. nt dmallind Jan 2012 #78

Check the U6 number for details. nt MannyGoldstein Jan 2012 #69

I did - unlike the person I responded to apparently. dmallind Jan 2012 #77

Let me state that Obama is in sad shape when he has to have a conservative like Sullivan MadHound Jan 2012 #16

How dare Obama let Sullivan publish a positive critique!!!!! JoePhilly Jan 2012 #22

+1 paulk Jan 2012 #94

Hey there, long time no see MadHound Jan 2012 #96

well, despite paulk Jan 2012 #105

K&R... SidDithers Jan 2012 #23

Der sphincter. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #49

I have been using the phrase "he keeps his powder dry" Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #27

+100 JoePhilly Jan 2012 #47

"Show don't tell" doesn't really work for an administration EFerrari Jan 2012 #52

We're all aware that Andrew Sullivan is a Rightwinger/Neocon, yes? Romulox Jan 2012 #29

Sullivan says Obama's economic policies are "right of center" PA Democrat Jan 2012 #43

"A caveat: I write this as an unabashed supporter of Obama from early 2007 on. " quinnox Jan 2012 #30

Ah, the old "chessmaster" line is making a comeback just in time for the election. hughee99 Jan 2012 #31

K & R Scurrilous Jan 2012 #32

I like how this article exposes the left's anti-Obama crowd to things like logic, reasoning and fact FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #36

Most of them aren't worth reading though. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #48

It's pretty appalling when issues that are important to the daily life of working people EFerrari Jan 2012 #53

It's pretty appalling that so-called Progressives would be knocking the HUGE progress this President FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #57

Your response begs the question of "huge progress". Or that Obama is in any way progressive. EFerrari Jan 2012 #59

Your response begs the question who are you comparing his progressivism to? FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #76

Thank You for The Centrist Manifesto. bvar22 Jan 2012 #42

Centrism, the midpoint between the right wing and the other right wing. EFerrari Jan 2012 #54

+1 slay Jan 2012 #101

K to the R BumRushDaShow Jan 2012 #50

How times have changed. bvar22 Jan 2012 #71

Excellent post slay Jan 2012 #99

K&R dammit Number23 Jan 2012 #72

He outsmarts his constituents... sendero Jan 2012 #85

I guess in the long view hfojvt Jan 2012 #91

yup Skittles Jan 2012 #92

You know it - that 57 dimensional chess he's playing is finally going to pay off slay Jan 2012 #100

thanks for the positive Obama post. Liberal_in_LA Jan 2012 #113