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144. I was in college and grad school for most of the 1980s.

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:15 PM

Nov 2012

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Things were clearly different then, and decidedly for the better. The neanderthalification of a lot of younger men seems to have begun in the late 1980s and early 1990s and definitely predates the rise of the Intertubes. IMO it definitely accelerated after the rise of reichwing talk radio in the 1990s. Combine that with the celebration of "young male as imbecile" in popular culture and the devolution isn't surprising.

Hell's bells, I was in a fraternity my first couple of years in college and the atmosphere there was that Certain Things Were Beyond the Pale and Not Done. Ever. But then my frat was one of the first to take drastic steps against hazing, so maybe it was an exception. The "hazing" we underwent as pledges consisted of having to sleep on the floor of the TV room for a week and being banned from the house between 7:30 and dinnertime.

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Thank you. myrna minx Nov 2012 #1

I missed the first two threads. So let me say now. TRUTH. K&R MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #2

Thank you for getting it. noamnety Nov 2012 #3

That makes me want to vomit. nt Tree-Hugger Nov 2012 #157

Thanks for sticking up for women! ananda Nov 2012 #4

I don't know why every man isn't an ally in feminism Victor_c3 Nov 2012 #34

Perfect sense. Right on. gtar100 Nov 2012 #84

Great job Will! Robyn66 Nov 2012 #5

K&R Solly Mack Nov 2012 #6

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+1 patrice Nov 2012 #164

Thank you, Will. Although this is supposed to be a "discussion" board, NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #8

K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #9

disrespect for women exists everywhere even in the democratic party and liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #10

That sign is powerful. It says it all. Thanks, I didn't see the other thread. LeftInTX Nov 2012 #11

if one needs an explanation to this photo G_j Nov 2012 #12

I stand with you, Will. longship Nov 2012 #13

Speaking for myself as a man and as an athiest OriginalGeek Nov 2012 #29

we had quiet a few men that sided with dawson. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #55

It's gotten worse alarimer Nov 2012 #63

I know. PZ Myers still posts about it regularly. nt longship Nov 2012 #75

I'm a guy and a Skeptic and I was shocked by that misogyny. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #187

Thank you. nt redqueen Nov 2012 #139

you sound shocked Mr. Pitt... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #14

I'm a man WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #16

LOL.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #18

(((hug))) WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #32

You're most certainly welcome.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #46

So very sorry Will, 4 t 4 Nov 2012 #180

Thank you. n/t MadrasT Nov 2012 #15

I did not see the other threads GitRDun Nov 2012 #17

I'd say that was worth more than two cents. Very well said. freshwest Nov 2012 #19

You give good value for the money.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #20

Some respect does not FlaGranny Nov 2012 #103

You are speaking in generalities.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #116

I was FlaGranny Dec 2012 #193

'Semantics' rears it's ugly head once again.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #194

Didn't find out who the kids were until later, FlaGranny Dec 2012 #197

Every woman, every day lives with the possibility of rape. s-cubed Nov 2012 #21

I really don't get it, grantcart Nov 2012 #22

i hear ya. this is what i have been saying. 80's we were going along fine. something happened in seabeyond Nov 2012 #56

Perhaps it was the Contract on America? YoungDemCA Nov 2012 #78

i think so. because i know with the gingrich was the start of the feel that i was getting. seabeyond Nov 2012 #111

You have a point regarding the 80s and 90s... KansDem Nov 2012 #114

exactly. 70's both genders were working to meld together in respect it seemed. seabeyond Nov 2012 #115

yep, left in 78 and it seemed settled. grantcart Nov 2012 #131

well the other thing that did happen was that pornography became much more ubiquitous grantcart Nov 2012 #128

yes... to those things also. and you have a two parent working home more often now seabeyond Nov 2012 #132

I find it saddening and frustrating Marrah_G Nov 2012 #23

Will, I try to stay out of this, usually don't do Meta on it. If I do, I usually end up deleting it. freshwest Nov 2012 #24

I was in college and grad school for most of the 1980s. hifiguy Nov 2012 #144

I was in college in the late sixties and early seventies. It was about liberation and equality. freshwest Nov 2012 #149

I'm a little older than those dates might indicate. hifiguy Nov 2012 #153

How true. kxs Nov 2012 #25

Thank you, WilliamPitt ... Jankyn Nov 2012 #26

As always, thank you, for being a voice of reason LisaLynne Nov 2012 #27

Thank you, Will 1gobluedem Nov 2012 #28

At this point very little is shocking to me. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #30

I wish I could say I am surprised BainsBane Nov 2012 #31

Amen! K/R Window Nov 2012 #33

Okay, I read some of the comments in one of those threads BainsBane Nov 2012 #35

Don't rape is the right teaching RobertEarl Nov 2012 #36

Too many at DU are not evolving BainsBane Nov 2012 #38

What should we do with them? RobertEarl Nov 2012 #42

Read the threads for yourself. BainsBane Nov 2012 #45

Is educating them ok? RobertEarl Nov 2012 #48

Castration BainsBane Nov 2012 #49

Derp. WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #60

I hope you realize BainsBane Nov 2012 #69

Hence WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #73

I am continually amused BainsBane Nov 2012 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #65

Education is tried over and over. mzteris Nov 2012 #76

Everything turns into a fight on DU these days, and whiners gateley Nov 2012 #37

Agreed. SoapBox Nov 2012 #89

I didn't bother to read all the posts in your original thread because I knew things would go Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #39

Is this male or female? pegasis Nov 2012 #40

So, serious question. What on earth do you think is going on here? nolabear Nov 2012 #41

Rape and sexism are not bound by political ideology BainsBane Nov 2012 #44

I am not surprised... CherokeeDem Nov 2012 #43

I'm shocked! Delmette Nov 2012 #47

Now this, right here, is a great thread. Permanut Nov 2012 #51

LOL there are some real assclowns on those threads leftstreet Nov 2012 #52

I'm afraid I'm not surprised gollygee Nov 2012 #53

Need BOTH--lots of rapists arent college students. ErikJ Nov 2012 #54

I didn't see the other thread. But i will say right now.. Truth! solara Nov 2012 #57

Locking. aikoaiko Nov 2012 #58

Unlocking. aikoaiko Nov 2012 #59

Try it. WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #64

All is well. aikoaiko Nov 2012 #68

The north going Zax and the south going Zax. tavernier Nov 2012 #61

I hear ya... greatauntoftriplets Nov 2012 #62

I would hope that the explanation for this is that the university finds "Don't Rape" to be a Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #66

"Well, that was easy." WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #80

Facepalm because? The rambling tha led to my conclusion or the conclusion itself? Or door number Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #102

Third time I have seen it posted here. My take is women on that campus need more than feminism. geckosfeet Nov 2012 #67

Don't Rape ... WTH??? May I reframe just a bit ... No Means No. Repeat after me ... libdem4life Nov 2012 #70

Similar outrage going on here too. Gregorian Nov 2012 #71

Thank you n/t ismnotwasm Nov 2012 #72

Missed the other threads but have lately become VERY discouraged @ women's issues on DU riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #74

"once you become a (soon to be) parent of a daughter" WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #81

The problem is the "instead of" Bonobo Nov 2012 #77

Fuck 'Meta' WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #82

I enjoyed that. Bonobo Nov 2012 #86

:) WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #88

Took the words out of my mouth. eom Fridays Child Nov 2012 #90

Truth n/t LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #91

"I like little things hitting each other!" Taverner Nov 2012 #92

Completely agree BainsBane Nov 2012 #100

So Will I would appreciated it if you would stop prevaricating and give us grantcart Nov 2012 #129

Like it or not, this thread is CLASSIC meta. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #190

Some people are apologists... YoungDemCA Nov 2012 #79

Y'know Will... kentuck Nov 2012 #83

I, too, am surprised by that. nt cry baby Nov 2012 #85

Similarly appalling posts in another thread on this as well: yardwork Nov 2012 #87

This actually goes much deeper. tonybgood Nov 2012 #93

This assumes the incoming freshman are the rapists Gore1FL Nov 2012 #94

Missed the point. The Doctor. Nov 2012 #99

As you state: Gore1FL Nov 2012 #155

Well, you kinda suggested that The Doctor. Nov 2012 #181

I think we largely agree Gore1FL Nov 2012 #185

Yeah, I like that. The Doctor. Dec 2012 #195

Someone posted some alarming statistics BainsBane Nov 2012 #101

I know rape happens on campus. Gore1FL Nov 2012 #152

he one posted yesterday that I read had one stat that stood out for me... LanternWaste Nov 2012 #174

Perhaps a class is indeed warranted. Gore1FL Nov 2012 #184

This is precisely the disconnection that Will is talking about in his OP. Chorophyll Nov 2012 #106

You assume they will be guilty of perpetrating it. Gore1FL Nov 2012 #151

I assume nothing. Chorophyll Nov 2012 #162

that is too far out to even kinda believe. every experience, every bit of fact we know is seabeyond Nov 2012 #167

So, in the absence of a college guidance counselor informing you that raping is wrong... lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #95

If there must be education in "how to avoid getting raped" during freshman orientation, Chorophyll Nov 2012 #107

There are four major problems with the photo. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #125

Point by point. Gormy Cuss Nov 2012 #143

thank you Gormy Cuss BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2012 #145

Here's an idea: let's leave aside the word "feminism." Why not have ALL the incoming freshmen Chorophyll Nov 2012 #165

Fully agree. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #166

Well that was easy. Chorophyll Nov 2012 #175

No, it means advocacy for women. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #176

Teaching self-defense makes sense. Gore1FL Nov 2012 #159

Ridiculous, unless your definition of rape is strictly "crazy stranger in the shadows." Chorophyll Nov 2012 #163

OK Fine. Give the how not to rape class. Gore1FL Nov 2012 #183

when I was FizzFuzz back on DU2, people REALLY didnt get it...and a lot of Feminists got banned BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2012 #96

Thanks for your posts William Pitt. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #97

It's a sad commentary on society. The Doctor. Nov 2012 #98

I'm shocked that you're shocked TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #104

when I posted this, I was making an oblique reference BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2012 #146

Thank you for this. Chorophyll Nov 2012 #105

LOL WilliamPitt always gets his own thread Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #108

Wow, here less then a month and you say that with such confidence! Marrah_G Nov 2012 #113

Nah, I'm just a dick. WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #117

rofl! Marrah_G Nov 2012 #118

The poster simply has exceptional pattern response cognition. grantcart Nov 2012 #130

You obviously aren't new, because your post is spot on. Dawgs Nov 2012 #124

I have to agree. BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2012 #147

+1. I hereby announce the winner of "The most narcissistic thread ever" award. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #126

Followed closely by the winner of the Most Petulant Response Ever Award LanternWaste Nov 2012 #177

Terrible shot. You totally missed the messenger. Zorra Nov 2012 #156

Put the blame where it belongs,the DU admins allow it. sufrommich Nov 2012 #109

Tell It, Sister! BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2012 #148

exactly right. i could NEVER recommend DU to progressive friends because of this. bettyellen Dec 2012 #191

Whats contraversial about this? Its the truth everywhere. Why aren't we teaching empathy as well? marble falls Nov 2012 #110

5,000 years of "Law of the Jungle" conditioning vs. 4,000 days of DU? No contest. TahitiNut Nov 2012 #112

As Usual... freebrew Nov 2012 #119

So we need a third thread for a flame fest? hootinholler Nov 2012 #120

I agree that rape is bad and every effort should be made to stop it, teaching people not to rape Dustlawyer Nov 2012 #121

I disagree. I believe that many fewer date rapes would occur if there was better education. yardwork Nov 2012 #122

You have to teach the boys and girls before they even get to college Marrah_G Nov 2012 #135

there are a few plcdude Nov 2012 #123

Absolutely right on Will, but personally Still Sensible Nov 2012 #127

My reaction is that it is a sad thing that any such course need be taught. malthaussen Nov 2012 #133

Missed the whole thing salinen Nov 2012 #134

word.... mike_c Nov 2012 #136

Do you now understand why... redqueen Nov 2012 #137

Yup. WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #138

DU is not 4chan/b The Traveler Nov 2012 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author redqueen Nov 2012 #142

I missed that one, but I'm not surprised. BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2012 #150

Oh for fuck's sake. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #189

I think it would be good to teach both principles ... but The Traveler Nov 2012 #141

And we now have a DU poster defending his serial raping as a youthful rite of passage. morningfog Nov 2012 #154

Basically on the grounds that he was "mistaken" and now he knows better, so . . . patrice Nov 2012 #160

Yep. I avoid those kinds of power struggles like the plague, because they are Lose : Lose. nt patrice Nov 2012 #158

Yeah. Truth. Right on. Damn straight. The real deal. On point. Should be obvious to all. K&R nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #161

Until I started reading this board, I never knew there were so many forestpath Nov 2012 #168

I started reading the posts yesterday Lilma Nov 2012 #169

The only one I saw the one posted by NYC_SKP, and that one had no arguing. ZombieHorde Nov 2012 #170

wills was first then another poster posted same OP seabeyond Nov 2012 #171

Thanks. nt ZombieHorde Nov 2012 #179

Innocent misunderstandings DaveJ Nov 2012 #172

ya. good point. we really should be more gentle about this. some of us have been seabeyond Nov 2012 #178

I guess femrap Nov 2012 #173

I posted this on one of the other threads. Butterbean Nov 2012 #182

I was one of the idiots until a friend of mine got raped a few years ago. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #186

self prete_nero Dec 2012 #188

You stared a conversation NashvilleLefty Dec 2012 #192

Will, it is depressing. Very depressing.... VOX Dec 2012 #196