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In reply to the discussion: the lies of David W, Corn [View all]hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Obama said his deal only gave $114 billion in high income tax cuts.
How many people even know he said that (or care)?
I did calculations from trusted sources. You know, the same sources I trusted when they were blasting the Bush tax cuts, to show that $114 billion is a load of crap. From my OP
"Well, that seems to leave out the $80 billion in estate tax cuts, and also the $32 billion (over two years) going to the top 5% with the accursed payroll tax cut. But CTJ also says that the Obama "compromise" gave $108 billion PER YEAR to the top 1%. So that looks to me like $216 billion right there in "high income tax cuts". Unlike David W. Corn though, I also consider the rest of the top 5% (or as I call them, the top 4%) to also be "high income". They got $55.5 billion in tax cuts per year, for a total of $111 billion."
How many people are aware of that truth, that Obama lied about his deal?
Now, what is your own point of view about this?
1. Is Obama wrong, or am I wrong?
2. If Obama is wrong, is it okay for him to spread misinformation? Is he doing so for the good of we, the poor?
Same with the accursed payroll tax cut. Obama calls it a benefit to the middle class, a benefit to progressives.
I say that it heavily favors the rich.
Am I wrong about that? In what respect?
If I am right, how many people are aware of the facts? If they are aware of the facts, then why aren't more people upset at Obama for pushing a tax cut that favors the rich?
I do not berate people for being unaware, but I do believe that many people are unaware. That's why I expend effort trying to bring the facts to light.
Do you expect me to believe that I am wrong just because I find myself at odds with Obama and Obama supporters?
I never said that other people were not sincere in their beliefs. They sincerely believe both Obama's excuses and Obama's lies.
Just like many people believed Bush before him. The fact of the matter is that you CAN fool many people much of the time.