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Silent3

(15,909 posts)
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 03:44 PM Jun 2024

If you can chill out about the debate, then you can certainly chill out about worried DU reactions to the debate [View all]

This discussion thread was locked by EarlG (a host of the General Discussion forum).

I mean, really.

In what universe is Biden's nationally-televised debate bomb a minor bump in the road, but comments from worried DUers are the thing that's going to bring the Republic crashing down?

Yes, we can recover from the debate. Yes, we're still not at a point where Biden dropping out fixes more problems than it would create.

I do think, however, that the Biden's poor debate performance quite legitimately makes Biden stepping aside a more salient topic of discussion than it was a few days ago, and it's hardy an unforgivable sin of disloyalty and hair-on-fire panic to merely broach the subject.

Too many of you act like it's chatter on DU that's the most powerful force in the election. You may know logically that it isn't, but many of you nevertheless react to and pounce on worriers as if it were.

The way I see it is that, first and foremost, DU is a discussion board.

We want to use DU, of course, to rally the troops and organize real-world action to promote Democrats. Most importantly these days, we want to promote Biden and save the country and the world from the ravages of a second Trump term.

But this place is still a discussion board first and foremost. And it's a perfectly natural human thing to want to discuss one's worries and fears as well as hopes and encouragement.

Someone here recently demanded that we "sell sell sell the fucking message", as if it's the job of everyone on DU to not engage in a discussion where a variety of views are expressed, but only to gather together to give sales pitches and pep talks to each other.

I vehemently reject point of view, and the related out-sized concerns that people expressing worry and despair on DU is a danger to the election that cannot be tolerated.

From the biggest think-positive cheerleaders on DU to the shakiest worrywarts, I think nearly every DUer (actual trolls aside, which are probably far fewer than the paranoid among us imagine) is prepared to crawl through broken glass in hail storm to vote for Biden, even if they live in a deep red state where their vote probably won't matter. Just to know we cast that vote is deeply important to most of us here, no matter where we live on the optimism/pessimism spectrum.

Yet some of you react like every expression of concern is the same thing as saying "I've given up, and I want you to give up too".

The knee-jerk reaction of "Don't worry! GOTV!" is treated as a pearl of great wisdom when it's merely a false dichotomy.

We aren't all obligated to belong to the cult of positive thinking, treating positive thinking as a magical force that wins all battles, and treating worry and fear as bad mojo that breaks the magical spell.

For those of you into the positive thinking thing, knock yourselves out with that. But don't act like it's everyone else's duty to play that game with you.

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Actual DU members I'm chill with -and there are valid concerns ColinC Jun 2024 #1
I suspect there are way, way fewer troll farm posters here than you imagine Silent3 Jun 2024 #3
I'm not talking about discussing worries ColinC Jun 2024 #4
So what real-world threat does "outright calling for his replacement" on DU actually pose? Silent3 Jun 2024 #12
If not genuine it takes the effect of propaganda ColinC Jun 2024 #14
It seems very weak propaganda then, delivered to the least effective place for that propaganda Silent3 Jun 2024 #25
It gives the illusion that there is far more support for a thing when you have fake people posting it ColinC Jun 2024 #26
But still, to what effect? If it doesn't change voting in November, it doesn't matter Silent3 Jun 2024 #28
If most people think there is a lot of support for something when there isn't ColinC Jun 2024 #29
You still have to dispense propaganda in a receptive, effective environment Silent3 Jun 2024 #61
It's not really an issue that is pertinent to DU as we do a pretty good job at policing ourselves, so I think you're ColinC Jun 2024 #65
I have no argument with that about Facebook, and as for Twitter... Silent3 Jun 2024 #67
Yeah. And just to clarify, my issue is just with the few apparent trolls we've had which are few and far between ColinC Jun 2024 #71
So you repeatedly claim... Silent3 Jun 2024 #54
I mean, I thought I explained myself pretty well but I'm open to that not being the case :) ColinC Jun 2024 #60
For One Thing... ProfessorGAC Jun 2024 #44
If, for instance, Biden became gravely ill... Silent3 Jun 2024 #51
Read EarlG's Post ProfessorGAC Jun 2024 #55
Is this the EarlG post you're talking about? Silent3 Jun 2024 #57
Go Up A Few Paragraphs ProfessorGAC Jun 2024 #70
I see what you're talking about... Silent3 Jun 2024 #73
I'm the most negative, piddyprints Jun 2024 #2
The point is to get things off your chest, which is what friends do with each other... Silent3 Jun 2024 #9
Whatever. piddyprints Jun 2024 #33
It was ONE debate. With a cold, next to a felon. Joe has moved on. chowder66 Jun 2024 #5
Did you read the post from EarlG? gab13by13 Jun 2024 #6
TSF should drop out for the good of the country ColinC Jun 2024 #8
rearranging your title a bit ...Trump should drop out of the country for good. GreenWave Jun 2024 #64
Point out one thing in my post that contradicts what you just said n/t Silent3 Jun 2024 #11
Well said. Doodley Jun 2024 #7
I'm not all that concerned about DU. Ocelot II Jun 2024 #10
I'm not asking (nor would I ever ask) for Biden to step aside... PeaceWave Jun 2024 #13
It is, historically speaking, a generally losing game to challenge the incumbent of your own party Silent3 Jun 2024 #16
Kennedy cost Carter the election...you run a challanger against an incumbent president and you lose every time. Demsrule86 Jun 2024 #19
How can you quantify that statement Sewa Jun 2024 #58
Admittedly, we do tend to fall in love with our candidate of choice... PeaceWave Jun 2024 #22
The out-of-party effect of challenging an incumbent matters too Silent3 Jun 2024 #24
If it's being talked about on DU, and on Pod Save America by former Obama staffers Fiendish Thingy Jun 2024 #15
"Confronting and combatting" is one thing, treating the expression of worry as if it is, in and of itself... Silent3 Jun 2024 #18
I agree Fiendish Thingy Jun 2024 #23
I also agree with you... OneGrassRoot Jun 2024 #30
I am sorry, but I don't agree...multiple post which is what we have seen calling for a sitting president to Demsrule86 Jun 2024 #17
You think the effects of discussion on DU are more powerful than the publically-televised debate itself? Silent3 Jun 2024 #20
I've seen a lot of threads here about Trump's performance. orange jar Jun 2024 #21
Thank you! Music Man Jun 2024 #27
Some are trolls and several have been zapped by MIRT Kaleva Jun 2024 #31
The benefit of the doubt should go to someone NOT being a troll, however Silent3 Jun 2024 #35
To your point here: orange jar Jun 2024 #42
One Thing To Remember About MIRT... ProfessorGAC Jun 2024 #47
Oh, interesting! orange jar Jun 2024 #56
In an idealized world that may work, but it's not case Kaleva Jun 2024 #69
"It's the norm" Silent3 Jun 2024 #76
It might not be commendable but that's the way it is Kaleva Jun 2024 #79
I'm a worrier by nature Blaukraut Jun 2024 #32
... OneGrassRoot Jun 2024 #41
they're mostly unbelievable bigtree Jun 2024 #34
Your concern about concern is noted Silent3 Jun 2024 #38
it's not concern bigtree Jun 2024 #40
What "disingenuous appeal for the viewpoint you agree with" are you talking about? Silent3 Jun 2024 #48
you're advocating in your thread that it be discussed here bigtree Jun 2024 #49
It should be discussed here. People who discuss it should be told it's a bad idea... Silent3 Jun 2024 #53
This. A million times this. budkin Jun 2024 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2024 #37
"Sort of if like you were recruited to be a spinner" Silent3 Jun 2024 #39
We should not post messages about site rules and enforcement type issues nt DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2024 #46
May I ask why you're afraid... OneGrassRoot Jun 2024 #43
We should not post messages about site rules and enforcement type issues nt DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2024 #45
I see. Thank you. n/t OneGrassRoot Jun 2024 #50
I am chill. Now is not the time for this discussion. marble falls Jun 2024 #52
Well, that's what you think. MineralMan Jun 2024 #59
How does my post insist on having more heft? Silent3 Jun 2024 #63
Indeed, DU is a discussion board EarlG Jun 2024 #62
This is, however, a very different thing than, say, getting on here and pushing RFK Jr or... Silent3 Jun 2024 #66
The rule is clear EarlG Jun 2024 #74
I'm pretty sure, ban-stick applied or not, talk of Biden stepping down is on the way to a natural death... Silent3 Jun 2024 #75
I've approved your appeal EarlG Jun 2024 #81
Your idea of a discussion is valid, perhaps, at the white house. DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2024 #68
It seems to be a weird, overly-anal interpretation of DU rules if something that can be discussed by loyal Democrats... Silent3 Jun 2024 #72
K & R. Xavier Breath Jun 2024 #77
Why keep the topic alive..drop it! You do realize that comments here are edited and reposted over and over on SM! PortTack Jun 2024 #78
This thread had a broader concept in mind... Silent3 Jun 2024 #80
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