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PeaceWave

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48. When we speak in these terms, we don't sound any better than the other side.

Sun Jun 30, 2024, 03:09 PM

Jun 2024

Nobody "did" anything to Biden on that debate stage. Trump was the same lying heap of manure we've all come to expect from Trump. For whatever, reason, Biden didn't appropriately parry the attacks. To suggest that something nefarious happened is just fodder for the other side to make fun of us. We can do better.

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I Can't Put My Finger On It - But The Events Of The Past Few Days Are Very Suspect To Me..... [View all] global1 Jun 2024 OP

You've expressed my feelings that I wasn't able to put into words.. LuckyCharms Jun 2024 #1

Even If You Listen To The Banter About This Whole Thing On MSNBC.... global1 Jun 2024 #4

We just have to stay calm and clear-headed. Like you, have been having unusual (for me) allegorical oracle Jul 2024 #100

To me this stinks of putin/kgb/fsb. No proof just the smell is familiar. nt mitch96 Jun 2024 #21

FSB? raccoon Jun 2024 #74

Formerly known as KGB think4yourself Jun 2024 #77

ruskie spy agency mitch96 Jun 2024 #79

I am feeling the same. Codifer Jun 2024 #30

The temptation to go conspiratorial is strong. Eyeball_Kid Jun 2024 #50

The design was simple and calculated. Codifer Jun 2024 #54

Like slipping Biden something into his tea... judy Jul 2024 #113

I totally agree. bamagal62 Jun 2024 #43

When we speak in these terms, we don't sound any better than the other side. PeaceWave Jun 2024 #48

I speak in terms of what I believe MAY be true. LuckyCharms Jun 2024 #52

There are a number of possible reasons for Biden's performance in the debate. wnylib Jun 2024 #85

Hear, hear MustLoveBeagles Jul 2024 #106

Not at all.. whathehell Jun 2024 #82

My whole thing is bamagal62 Jun 2024 #88

I had an immediate intuitive sense that Joe was drugged. ElementaryPenguin Jul 2024 #103

Whatever it was something was definitely off MustLoveBeagles Jul 2024 #111

The media is a problem, yes. ananda Jun 2024 #2

I Like To Think That..... global1 Jun 2024 #7

Totally agree. ananda Jun 2024 #18

"THE MEDIA IS THE PROBLEM." Stuart G Jun 2024 #65

Remember the Wall Street Journal story about out of it Biden not long ago? shrike3 Jun 2024 #89

It's a fiction created by Republicans and the rightwing press. ananda Jun 2024 #91

No. BannonsLiver Jun 2024 #3

You are right. Stuff happens. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2024 #25

It's not just 81 year olds who have bad nights for goodness sake! Raven123 Jun 2024 #32

Is Biden 81? BannonsLiver Jun 2024 #42

Reminds me of this: orange jar Jun 2024 #62

THANK you GaYellowDawg Jun 2024 #45

My fantasy is that Joe set the trap maptap22 Jun 2024 #5

Not silly. Not likely, but not silly. LuckyCharms Jun 2024 #6

Me too. Solomon Jun 2024 #66

Rope-a-dope central scrutinizer Jun 2024 #11

No silly at all. Joe's always played the long game. Phoenix61 Jun 2024 #19

The only way the republicans can win is to cheat. Turbineguy Jun 2024 #8

Biden answered a question about abortion by talking about migrant murderers Fiendish Thingy Jun 2024 #9

Biden was tasked with countering Trump's lies and making his case. shrike3 Jun 2024 #90

It was a poor response to a question on abortion, that is a fact. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2024 #92

Again, read what I said. shrike3 Jul 2024 #108

The attempt to counter Trump's Gish Gallop resulted in a garbled response Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #109

Obviously. BUT, he was the one expected to counter Trump lies. shrike3 Jul 2024 #110

Powerful financial interests thrive on the political mainstream, within reason bucolic_frolic Jun 2024 #10

Yes, it's good this happened now instead of in the final weeks before the election. liberalla Jun 2024 #78

Isn't Bannon on his way to jail today? calimary Jul 2024 #99

Sorry, no. Goodheart Jun 2024 #12

Disinformation and Reflexive Control: The New Cold War jmbar2 Jun 2024 #13

Hardly new! 2016 daw it big time. triron Jun 2024 #16

I don't understand how this could have been sabotage. totodeinhere Jun 2024 #14

Of course it wasn't. Somebody's grasping at straws. Goodheart Jun 2024 #58

I've had the same feeling dlk Jun 2024 #15

Perhaps an advisor told him "Just look really stunned at the evil and the lies and you'll win." barbaraann Jun 2024 #39

While there is all kinds of fuckery, we can't be like the GQP cult. It was an awful performance. We can't deny it. themaguffin Jun 2024 #17

It was a much better performance orangecrush Jun 2024 #24

of course, but it's not about what we think. themaguffin Jun 2024 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author orangecrush Jun 2024 #84

While I don't think it's a mass conspiracy, NoveltySocks Jun 2024 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author Blue Idaho Jun 2024 #22

Seeing Joe at the rally orangecrush Jun 2024 #23

On Fire The Day After The Debate Ruhama Jun 2024 #29

That's what I thought immediately greymattermom Jun 2024 #51

Most of corporate America is UN-American Attilatheblond Jun 2024 #26

Are you saying that part of the plan was to make sure Joe had a cold so that his Sogo Jun 2024 #27

I also think this was a set up. Psychological warfare suegeo Jun 2024 #28

I agree- all excellent points Tumbulu Jul 2024 #93

Are you saying this was an inside job? Groundhawg Jun 2024 #31

It wasn't very well planned in my book. sybylla Jun 2024 #33

My thoughts exactly. lotusblossom Jun 2024 #34

My feelings EXACTLY! Bluesaph Jun 2024 #35

It wasn't sabatage, Biden had a very bad night. doc03 Jun 2024 #36

Appearance Blue Full Moon Jun 2024 #73

The interview Blue Full Moon Jun 2024 #37

I do karin_sj Jun 2024 #38

Yes! I had the same thoughts. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #40

I am having suspicions as well. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #41

Hi, Irish Dem. I am thinking of a 2020 primary debate . . . John1956PA Jun 2024 #47

We have to factor in Joe's speech disorder (stuttering.) Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #53

Don't worry. murielm99 Jun 2024 #57

Trump was stupid the next day. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #61

Exactly the media is pushing Tree Lady Jun 2024 #44

When you say "set up" are you blaming the Biden campaign? brooklynite Jun 2024 #46

Until Biden's number one spokesman MOMFUDSKI Jun 2024 #49

Every news service has the word 'disaster'. louis-t Jun 2024 #55

Where are the headlines about Melania proud patriot Jun 2024 #56

I had the same feeling Beck23 Jun 2024 #59

Yes same here. The attack was also suspicious. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #70

Suspicions? people Jun 2024 #60

A wild speculation Beck23 Jun 2024 #63

It is a possibility that has to be considered. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #71

I didn't watch the debate and stayed far from the news and DU since Thursday Boomerproud Jun 2024 #75

Yes exactly. From a clinical standpoint the rapid turnaround is notable. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #95

That would suggest the Secret Service was in on it. MichMan Jun 2024 #83

If nothing else, it's shifted the larger discussion to competency. And that may not be something the Trump campaign ColinC Jun 2024 #64

Chump's competency bar is buried so deep that no one can prove exists. TheKentuckian Jun 2024 #68

Our opposition is always planning a hit job and they are the Dirty Trick party for sure. Ligyron Jun 2024 #67

Are you saying many here are gullible idiots? Kaleva Jun 2024 #69

yes joanbarnes Jun 2024 #72

Did the President sabotage himself? BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2024 #76

I don't think that's what the post was suggesting and I don't think Biden wants out liberalla Jun 2024 #80

I admit to having similar thoughts, feelings and questions. Something's way 'off', but what is it? liberalla Jun 2024 #86

Me. Been saying it, too. Joinfortmill Jun 2024 #87

Immediately when it started I suspected something weird was going on Tumbulu Jul 2024 #94

It was beneath the dignity of the Office of the President of the United States John Shaft Jul 2024 #96

Whatever it is it's going to backfire. Glaisne Jul 2024 #97

It almost is like Leonard Leo and SCOTUS and the hit teams in the House and Senate got paid off flying_wahini Jul 2024 #98

It does seem like a wheel has come off for sure. Whether that's because someone loosened the lug nuts KPN Jul 2024 #101

This makes more sense to me JanLip Jul 2024 #102

Something's fishy, that's for sure!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2024 #104

trump is DownriverDem Jul 2024 #105

Yup, it's a curious situation, nt wendyb-NC Jul 2024 #107

Which Democratic Party leaders? ECL213 Jul 2024 #112

We had a 2 minute delay Biden4eva Jul 2024 #114

The claim that it was delayed is false. TwilightZone Jul 2024 #115