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Igel

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31. That's every president.
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 06:37 AM
Jul 2024

I'd be more concerned had there been a history of criminal prosecutions of presidents throughout history, a long history of prosecutions that would now be curtailed.

The parallel argument is that if a president is acting with constitutional authority, Congress has no authority to pass laws against it, prosecutors have no grounds for prosecution, and the courts have no authority to pass judgment. Because that would be overruling the constitution. The less clearly constitutional the actions are, the more open to prosecution, so there's a gradient between "nobody can prosecute" and "maybe somebody could."

It's been pointed out that the difference between an assertion of immunity and an assertion of lack of ability for anybody to prosecution or sentence boils down to describing the same situation using different words, except one uses constitutional reasoning and the other doesn't.

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RIP American Democracy [View all] NanceGreggs Jul 2024 OP
Spot on, as always. niyad Jul 2024 #1
Yup, we're there. 2naSalit Jul 2024 #2
yep bigtree Jul 2024 #3
SCOTUS was never ... NanceGreggs Jul 2024 #7
who ultimately decides that? bigtree Jul 2024 #13
I don't believe this conversation happened like that BaronChocula Jul 2024 #26
That's every president. Igel Jul 2024 #31
They are flexing all the power that they are being paid to use. wnylib Jul 2024 #27
I wish there was something encouraging or hopeful to say. madaboutharry Jul 2024 #4
No matter how cynical I get, I can't keep up. -Lily Tomlin CrispyQ Jul 2024 #5
Bye bye American Pie sheshe2 Jul 2024 #6
Oh, just wait a little while Pototan Jul 2024 #8
I've lost track of how many times BigmanPigman Jul 2024 #9
Star Trek Box Set Mr.Bee Jul 2024 #10
It's been on life support for a decade, and today SCOTUS pulled the plug 0rganism Jul 2024 #11
Nance... "Don't Give Up The Ship!" DemocraticPatriot Jul 2024 #12
I am more confident than ever ... NanceGreggs Jul 2024 #19
Wasn't the decision six to three? totodeinhere Jul 2024 #14
I have not surrendered.... FarPoint Jul 2024 #15
This Subversive Court must be bypassed or ignored. It is rogue and destructive. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2024 #16
The Republican appointed members of the Supreme Court are now leading the coup. Trust_Reality Jul 2024 #17
If only Biden and the people who surround him would read your post Frank D. Lincoln Jul 2024 #29
While there is breath, there is life, while there is life, there is spirit. I feel the pain of today. I can't believe somaticexperiencing Jul 2024 #18
The SCOTUS doesn't care ... NanceGreggs Jul 2024 #22
I don't live my life by Scotus. And I don't recommend that any of us do. somaticexperiencing Jul 2024 #23
Absolutely budkin Jul 2024 #20
Prepare accordingly orangecrush Jul 2024 #21
The SUPREME COURT is getting ready to knight their KING YoshidaYui Jul 2024 #24
Exactly. NanceGreggs Jul 2024 #28
Democracy is not dead, it only smells funny JoseBalow Jul 2024 #25
The Constitution did NOT give SCOTUS this power, they seized it for themselves DSandra Jul 2024 #30
and don't forget to thank Conjuay Jul 2024 #32
We're on a cliff Johnny2X2X Jul 2024 #33
Recent history should serve as a wake-up call to the "lookit me!" egomaniacs of 2000-2024. DFW Jul 2024 #34
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