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DFW

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34. Recent history should serve as a wake-up call to the "lookit me!" egomaniacs of 2000-2024.
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 09:13 AM
Jul 2024

I don't pretend to know all of their real motives or all of their real backers, but I sure as hell know the effects of their actions. We all do.

From Ralph Nader to Jill Stein to Bernie Sanders to Nina Turner to Bobby Jr. to Cornell West to a dozen others, the fate of the country, the people who live in it, the fate of those who live elsewhere but are affected by us (and that's half the planet or more), these people have succeeded or came close to succeeding (i.e. in 2020) in disrupting--and negating--the will and preference of the majority of those who voted, as well as those who wanted to vote but were denied that right, due to actions of a SCOTUS resulting from the ego trips of the above-named non-Democrats. Al Gore and Hillary Clinton certainly never would have nominated the likes of Roberts, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh or Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court. Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Mitch McConnell and the Steves (Bannon and Miller) did. Maybe I'm being cynical, but I doubt that anyone on DU is under the illusion that Bush Jr. or Trump had the slightest idea of who their Supreme Court nominees should have been. Those two wouldn't know the difference between "Black's Law Dictionary" and "Black Beauty."

In the name of being "progressive," they have instead managed to aid and abet those who would throw the country that once led the world in technological innovation and social progress back into the 15th century, when death and disease were either just too bad or "God's will," education was controlled by the clergy, and rulers were absolute and not to be questioned, whether their new clothes were real or not.

Like it or not, the United States is not a parliamentary democracy. Parties garnering 15% of the vote do NOT get a voice in shaping governments. They DO play a role in who makes up governments by siphoning off votes from would-have-been majority winners, but once those elections are over, their role is zero. Ralph Nader was not invited to lend his input to the Cheney-Bush administration. They owed their existence to him, but other than being happy about it, no other gesture to Nader would be forthcoming. In Germany, where I live, a party getting 15% of the vote can be a kingmaker, being courted by larger parties offering concessions to join a coalition and make them the ruling government. It gets predictably messy, and isn't necessarily better than our way. But I have no knowledge of any country allowing an ideological judiciary to decide that only its supporters should have an unrestricted right to vote or even a fair trial, or that its adherents are protected from having to answer for wrongdoing. Sam Alito's role model is not John Marshall, but Roland Freisler. Worse yet, he's proud of it.

While the right to free speech and expression should remain absolute, the unenforceable moral obligation to consider the long range effects of those words and actions should never be ignored. They should also figure into anyone's decision to mount a peripheral political movement that could alter the results of a vital election. An action is not noble if its ultimate effect is to bring on misery. That is a notion I would love to bring to the attention of people like Bobby, Jr. and Cornell West, but, as with all their predecessors from Ralph Nader onward, I know it will fall of deaf ears.


**I am well aware that there are staunch defenders of the one or the other of the (in my opinion) tragic disruptors, past and present. I don't disagree with your motives any more than you can disagree with the aftermath of what your champions have wrought. Well, I should temper that with that fact that they always say, "it wasn't [fill in the blank]'s fault!" Anyone who says that, well, I'm not going to change their minds. By the same token, they aren't going to change mine when I say, "yes, it was." No one wants an imperfect hero, but they all are.

I'm ready for the usual attacks by the usual people who will vehemently disagree. But don't expect me to spend a lot of time getting upset about them. This is one of those rare times when I can relax, enjoy the presence of my two daughters and all four of our grandchildren, and watch the sun set over the water for a few weeks. The nearest town is a small gay mecca with great people, food, art, music and a lot of peaceful days and evenings. No Paris, Zürich, Brussels, whatever. In three weeks, my wife and I get to celebrate the anniversary of one of the most improbable things that ever happened to us. No one can take that away. The grind will start up again soon enough.

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RIP American Democracy [View all] NanceGreggs Jul 2024 OP
Spot on, as always. niyad Jul 2024 #1
Yup, we're there. 2naSalit Jul 2024 #2
yep bigtree Jul 2024 #3
SCOTUS was never ... NanceGreggs Jul 2024 #7
who ultimately decides that? bigtree Jul 2024 #13
I don't believe this conversation happened like that BaronChocula Jul 2024 #26
That's every president. Igel Jul 2024 #31
They are flexing all the power that they are being paid to use. wnylib Jul 2024 #27
I wish there was something encouraging or hopeful to say. madaboutharry Jul 2024 #4
No matter how cynical I get, I can't keep up. -Lily Tomlin CrispyQ Jul 2024 #5
Bye bye American Pie sheshe2 Jul 2024 #6
Oh, just wait a little while Pototan Jul 2024 #8
I've lost track of how many times BigmanPigman Jul 2024 #9
Star Trek Box Set Mr.Bee Jul 2024 #10
It's been on life support for a decade, and today SCOTUS pulled the plug 0rganism Jul 2024 #11
Nance... "Don't Give Up The Ship!" DemocraticPatriot Jul 2024 #12
I am more confident than ever ... NanceGreggs Jul 2024 #19
Wasn't the decision six to three? totodeinhere Jul 2024 #14
I have not surrendered.... FarPoint Jul 2024 #15
This Subversive Court must be bypassed or ignored. It is rogue and destructive. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2024 #16
The Republican appointed members of the Supreme Court are now leading the coup. Trust_Reality Jul 2024 #17
If only Biden and the people who surround him would read your post Frank D. Lincoln Jul 2024 #29
While there is breath, there is life, while there is life, there is spirit. I feel the pain of today. I can't believe somaticexperiencing Jul 2024 #18
The SCOTUS doesn't care ... NanceGreggs Jul 2024 #22
I don't live my life by Scotus. And I don't recommend that any of us do. somaticexperiencing Jul 2024 #23
Absolutely budkin Jul 2024 #20
Prepare accordingly orangecrush Jul 2024 #21
The SUPREME COURT is getting ready to knight their KING YoshidaYui Jul 2024 #24
Exactly. NanceGreggs Jul 2024 #28
Democracy is not dead, it only smells funny JoseBalow Jul 2024 #25
The Constitution did NOT give SCOTUS this power, they seized it for themselves DSandra Jul 2024 #30
and don't forget to thank Conjuay Jul 2024 #32
We're on a cliff Johnny2X2X Jul 2024 #33
Recent history should serve as a wake-up call to the "lookit me!" egomaniacs of 2000-2024. DFW Jul 2024 #34
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