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In reply to the discussion: Meet the Predators (men need to learn how to recognize and fight rape culture) [View all]TeamsterDem
(1,173 posts)Look, the point is that this article says that men need to learn how to combat a rape culture which assumes 2 things: 1, that there is a rape culture, and 2, that men - the descriptor used by the author - don't collectively know about it or how to deal with it. Both are wrong.
Rape is a crime punishable in every state of the country. Rightfully so, although I'd suggest that the sentences for it are often far too light. But that a portion of the male population commits rape doesn't mean that we all do, nor does it suggest that we endorse or condone it. We don't, and most of us are quite pleased when an offender gets a lengthy prison sentence (when and where that happens).
What folks like you do is to condone stereotypes when and where the outcomes don't affect you, but then complain to high heaven if someone were to use a stereotype against you. I don't support stereotypes in any situation, be they directly offensive to me or otherwise. Make no mistake, an article stating that men as a group are both part of a culture of rape AND are too stupid to realize it is every bit as offensive as any hit piece written about women. But what you suggest is that I simply ignore being stereotyped, as I suppose women should just ignore when men write stereotypical garbage about them, right? Wrong. No one should support a stereotype.
A concern about rape is most certainly a valid one, and I'd never propose to tell anyone that it isn't valid. And of course I didn't say or even imply that in my post; you read that into it in order to prop up a straw man argument. A concern about rape is more than valid, and I share that concern for every woman. But I don't then assume that it's alright to stereotype ALL men simply because a few of them are knuckle-dragging neanderthal criminals. What you're endorsing is a stereotypical approach to "teaching" us all when in fact VERY FEW need such "training," if one could even assume that "training" would ever eviscerate a mental illness and reproach for society that would induce them to rape another human being.
The odd thing is that some women - thankfully a minority of them - seem far too at-ease with stereotypes about the whole male gender while simultaneously railing against any and all stereotypes of their own gender. I fight both equally, and I think it's sad that you don't. Being neither male nor female dictates how a person will behave, nor the quality of said person. It simply dictates which reproductive organs they possess at birth. Nothing more. Women don't need "lessons" on how to behave, and neither do men - as groups. Instead, known offenders - the distinct minority not representative in any way of the broader gender - might need "lessons," again assuming they'd work.
Moreover, I've never once denied that some people need reformations of their attitudes towards women. Never. So yours is a straw man with respect to "you'd like to deny their existence." I don't deny that some citizens of this country are assholes. But I don't then say that because some member of some group commits a crime that we then must "teach" the entire group how to behave, as I know full-well that one member does not a group make.