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MadameButterfly

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22. i like Kamala but the only criteria if we changed horses
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 08:18 PM
Jul 2024

should be electability.

I'm not commenting on her electability here in relation to others, just that "she deserves it" and she's a woman BIPOC should be beside the point. This isn't about rewarding one individual however deserving. We all deserve a democracy and the people on Trump's hit list deserve to live.

If we break a glass ceiling and lose, we still lose. If we don't break a glass ceiling and win, I see a very deep bench of outstanding people of color and/or women coming up the ranks for future presidential runs. None of these will have a chance if Trump wins now.

Many of the potential candidates I've heard mentioned for now tend to break one glass ceiling or another, it just shouldn't be the reason to choose them. Choosing an overwhelmingly popular governor from a swing state is a viable criteria because, electability.

Kamala deserves a shot, she just shouldn't be appointed summarily without giving convention delegates an opportunity to consider all the options. We got into this mess from not considering all options, and wanting to be nice to a guy we liked.

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Sometimes A Man Does Push Himself, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2024 #1
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2024 #9
"A president must be able to travel the world, represent our interests, and return while still able to lead." Eko Jul 2024 #11
Performing in a debate is indeed one of those things n/t MadameButterfly Jul 2024 #24
Which one? Eko Jul 2024 #25
Leading MadameButterfly Jul 2024 #30
And those are only done in debates? Eko Jul 2024 #33
Post removed Post removed Jul 2024 #44
There is literaly nothing you can do in a debate that would protect democracy Eko Jul 2024 #51
I think the problem is that Dorian Gray Jul 2024 #72
I thought deep on this one. Eko Jul 2024 #78
EVERYONE has limits.. whathehell Jul 2024 #35
Part of his job is knowing what he can do and being prepared MadameButterfly Jul 2024 #46
Sorry, but I don't think one debate fail wipes out whathehell Jul 2024 #81
Oh, stop it. Baitball Blogger Jul 2024 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2024 #28
As far as I can remember, it's always been like this at this stage in an election year. Baitball Blogger Jul 2024 #39
It's never been like this before MadameButterfly Jul 2024 #54
I too will vote for the Democratic nominee no matter MadameButterfly Jul 2024 #41
Strange statement for a US Naval lawyer to make: Celerity Jul 2024 #43
The Constitution and the nation require MadameButterfly Jul 2024 #47
that is not what I was referring to, you have introduced a secondary proposition/element Celerity Jul 2024 #55
You're a bit out of touch with reality if you believed that a week ago we had an easy road to reelection. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #57
Were you a VLC? Eko Jul 2024 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2024 #31
where were you based? Eko Jul 2024 #32
Thank you for your service MadameButterfly Jul 2024 #48
Absolutely agree. Every time the debate gets blamed on some outside factor, enough Jul 2024 #18
i like Kamala but the only criteria if we changed horses MadameButterfly Jul 2024 #22
Biden a racist? mzmolly Jul 2024 #49
He flew back June 14th jimfields33 Jul 2024 #53
Didn't he spend six days on debate preparation? rzemanfl Jul 2024 #77
Yes which was at camp David. jimfields33 Jul 2024 #83
Gotta admire Joe's honesty. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2024 #59
That he was still tired from a trip that ended 13 days before? nt kelly1mm Jul 2024 #69
It sounds at least somewhat reasonable until we find TheKentuckian Jul 2024 #67
Yeah that explanation did not make me feel better, almost a 1/2 month to recover seems like more then enough EX500rider Jul 2024 #87
Sometimes it is best to take the "L" rather than stacking more from the same bad game. TheKentuckian Jul 2024 #88
Get enough sleep and stay hydrated. Important for everyone. Freethinker65 Jul 2024 #2
K&R. n/t LuckyCharms Jul 2024 #3
Rings true senseandsensibility Jul 2024 #4
Didn't his family blame the debate preppers? MadameButterfly Jul 2024 #26
I didn't hear that senseandsensibility Jul 2024 #40
Blaming the debate preppers was the first MadameButterfly Jul 2024 #50
Well since the trip he was referring to ended 13 days before the debate still being tired kelly1mm Jul 2024 #70
It's not.... and it reads as more excuse making. Dorian Gray Jul 2024 #73
Case closed. orange jar Jul 2024 #5
Yup.. agingdem Jul 2024 #13
Yup!! Deek1935 Jul 2024 #17
Here's Biden debating Paul Ryan in 2012 Polybius Jul 2024 #29
Biden at his best. Thank you for that MadameButterfly Jul 2024 #34
Of course Polybius Jul 2024 #37
He was fantastic in that debate democrattotheend Jul 2024 #84
The difference in those two debates is staggering Polybius Jul 2024 #85
The foreign travel he said he was still tired from ended 13 days before the debate.nt kelly1mm Jul 2024 #71
Hope he stays in the US from now til November. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #6
Agreed. orange jar Jul 2024 #8
Yeah, we're in trouble Azathoth Jul 2024 #7
Wasn't he holed up in debate prep for a week prior? onandup Jul 2024 #10
Correct. FBaggins Jul 2024 #12
I used to be on a containership run from Los Angeles to New York- through the Suez Canal and back. Turbineguy Jul 2024 #16
I'm a little younger than Biden but after spending 4 days in London agingdem Jul 2024 #23
He was obviously tired and sounded like he had a cold. I think he was also over-prepped with too much data etc. Deek1935 Jul 2024 #19
Look at this difference in 2012 and tell me if you still think it was a cold Polybius Jul 2024 #86
That's what happens when you have a POTUS who actually WORKS. n/t LuckyCharms Jul 2024 #20
i get the contrast with Trump but MadameButterfly Jul 2024 #36
I'm not sure how you got there from my statement. n/t LuckyCharms Jul 2024 #38
Once again, I'm bringing out this relevant Tweet: orange jar Jul 2024 #56
You implied that the debate performance was because he was working MadameButterfly Jul 2024 #58
I implied that Biden works, and Trump doesn't. LuckyCharms Jul 2024 #62
I agree that Trump has nothing else to do MadameButterfly Jul 2024 #68
You're reading far too much into my comment. n/t LuckyCharms Jul 2024 #75
So Trump didn't slip him a Mickey Finn? LeftInTX Jul 2024 #21
Interesting. H2O Man Jul 2024 #27
Everyone forgets about Joe Biden's stutter crimycarny Jul 2024 #42
The debate format was the one that the Biden campaign asked for. MichMan Jul 2024 #52
All this is true but Biden is the most seasoned politician possibly in the country MadameButterfly Jul 2024 #64
Yup Deek1935 Jul 2024 #65
Per this Wiki article, he returned to the US on 6/14-6/15. The debate was on 6/27. LonePirate Jul 2024 #45
I think another reason for President Joe's performance is that Vogon_Glory Jul 2024 #60
check out the post earlier in this string of Biden debating Paul Ryan MadameButterfly Jul 2024 #66
He performed way, way better against Chump last time TheKentuckian Jul 2024 #79
Also, STILL expecting Chump.to play by the rules is legitimately delusional. TheKentuckian Jul 2024 #80
'...and then I almost fell asleep on stage," Biden said Celerity Jul 2024 #61
It's almost an admission that he's not... oh never mind. dem4decades Jul 2024 #63
IF he said that, it was a joke. MorbidButterflyTat Jul 2024 #76
if it was a joke, then all good Celerity Jul 2024 #82
Kaitlan Collins can name names or STFU MorbidButterflyTat Jul 2024 #74
He says it's because he was sleepy-- he traveled in the wrong direction andym Jul 2024 #89
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