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sabrina 1

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89. Lol, no, I did not claim they had moral authority, just standing which they are using.

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 06:36 AM

Dec 2012

At this point though considering how we've running around the world killing people, including American citizens without charges or trials, while China has been using money to buy what they want, they do have more than we do at this point. International polls on who is the biggest threat to world peace name Israel and the US. People do not fear that China is going to invade anyone's country. And when the US State Dept had the gall to criticize China for human rights abuse, they responded with a list of human rights abuses still in progress in this country.

And that is sad because the world needs a country that can speak out against human rights abuses and we could have been that great country.

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Clinton: U.N. Palestine Vote �Unfortunate And Counterproductive� [View all] ProSense Nov 2012 OP

It is unfortunate because it is a symptom of the death of the US empire. redgreenandblue Nov 2012 #1

Why tama Dec 2012 #76

I don't find it unfortunate. redgreenandblue Dec 2012 #103

Two reasons that this is considered "unfortunate" MadHound Nov 2012 #2

interestingly this icc thing could be a two edged sword loli phabay Nov 2012 #4

It would be good news either way. redgreenandblue Nov 2012 #5

Same way they'll handle Israel bulldozing Palestinian settlements, MadHound Nov 2012 #7

only if DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #10

I've been wondering the exact same thing. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #16

Israel doesn't recognize the ICC leftynyc Nov 2012 #21

Yeah. bunnies Nov 2012 #54

Don't dead Israeli babies count? leftynyc Nov 2012 #56

Dont change the subject. bunnies Nov 2012 #63

If more dead bodies made one side more right, leftynyc Nov 2012 #68

Is that what I said? bunnies Nov 2012 #69

It's a fact with no meaning other leftynyc Nov 2012 #70

It doesn't matter Scootaloo Dec 2012 #82

I think the actual lapdog is the US, not Israel. hifiguy Nov 2012 #59

its unfortunate the rest of the world is going against our wishes quinnox Nov 2012 #3

Why? ceile Nov 2012 #6

No country goes to the ICC unless they want to. former9thward Nov 2012 #73

The ICC is not retroactive Scootaloo Dec 2012 #83

Would Israel let us say anything else? N/T Big Blue Marble Nov 2012 #8

Take yout troubles to Micronesia, Kiddo, they trade their votes for a place to live as byeya Nov 2012 #9

This is the US position because it is true. TrueBlueinCO Nov 2012 #11

The US and Israel have failed for how many decades now to deal with this situation in an even sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #13

It has been the US position because the Palestinians are not ready for a state TrueBlueinCO Nov 2012 #15

While Israel can indeed invade, Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #17

That's now, but not if Palestine becomes a state then commits an act of war TrueBlueinCO Nov 2012 #20

No it cannot. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #22

When facing total annihilation in all out war... TrueBlueinCO Nov 2012 #23

Do you think Israel and Palestine operate in a vaccum? Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #40

I don't think that there is any country in the middle east that can stop Israel TrueBlueinCO Nov 2012 #44

By 2020 Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #67

Now that's just so ridiculous that it's funny TrueBlueinCO Dec 2012 #95

You're correct... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #99

and if Iran behaves badly enough TrueBlueinCO Dec 2012 #100

If you say so.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #102

Keep going. I find your views to be... intriguing Scootaloo Dec 2012 #84

Besides, who is going to stop them if the gloves came off? TrueBlueinCO Nov 2012 #25

Israelis support Apartheid against Arabs cpwm17 Dec 2012 #86

I'm referring to the Palestinian mindset TrueBlueinCO Dec 2012 #97

Also, conquering it is winning it if there is no one to force it to be otherwise. TrueBlueinCO Nov 2012 #26

So you condone an outlaw nation? Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #42

Israel is much less outlaw than the Palestinians. TrueBlueinCO Nov 2012 #45

Unjust laws? bunnies Nov 2012 #46

Such as requiring Israel to give up land that is TrueBlueinCO Nov 2012 #51

They have a military, nukes and unlimited US support. bunnies Nov 2012 #58

When there is no place left whatsoever for hifiguy Nov 2012 #60

exactly. nt bunnies Nov 2012 #64

Perhaps Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #62

So what you are basically saying is that the Palestinians are inferior 'not ready for a state' sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #49

The Palestinians will be ready TrueBlueinCO Nov 2012 #52

That might work Agony Dec 2012 #104

The Israelis are already there, TrueBlueinCO Dec 2012 #105

Why such a lopsided view? Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #18

In what way has Russia supported the Palestinians? And maybe China finally had it just like sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #57

And who would you suggest? Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #65

Maybe Norway or Iceland eg. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #74

When the US Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #91

yeah, China's "had it". It's a moral position. Ever hear of Tibet? cali Nov 2012 #71

Ever hear of Iraq, Afghanistan, Mai Lai, etc. etc. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #72

yes, dearie- and I bring that up frequently- as you very well know. cali Dec 2012 #87

Lol, no, I did not claim they had moral authority, just standing which they are using. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #89

Why, of course, we respect majority rule...except when they vote against us. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #12

The notion behind it seems to involve Pakistan using the International Criminal Court Lucinda Nov 2012 #14

But who can blame them? bunnies Nov 2012 #32

I think statehood is the right thing to do and is long overdue. Even the SOS, Lucinda Nov 2012 #43

It seems bizarre to me that if we support a two "state" solution... bunnies Nov 2012 #48

If statehood was a goal of the US, they apparently have fooled the rest of the world. The world sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #53

Clinton is unfortunate LittleBlue Nov 2012 #19

What utter bullshit leftynyc Nov 2012 #24

Don't think I let him off the hook LittleBlue Nov 2012 #30

Party responsible for what? leftynyc Nov 2012 #55

based on this knee-jerk response Enrique Nov 2012 #28

Geffen was a family friend and huge Clinton backer LittleBlue Nov 2012 #31

obviously a lot of people don't like Hillary Enrique Nov 2012 #33

When I voted for Obama in 2008 LittleBlue Nov 2012 #39

are you talking about David Geffen? Enrique Nov 2012 #50

We elected Democrats in 2008 remember? That was after eight horrible years of US Policy sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #61

Regarding your last comment, Beacool Dec 2012 #78

I and most of the civilized world were sickened by that brutal war crime. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #88

You are aggrandizing a person that does not deserve it. Beacool Dec 2012 #93

Lol, what I posted were facts about his place in Africa. I fyi, was always opposed to sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #96

And Geffen was wrong, as proven by her tenure at State. Beacool Dec 2012 #94

And take the President with you. white_wolf Nov 2012 #41

Are you serious? Beacool Dec 2012 #77

and clinton should get the Nobel Peace Prize? Whisp Nov 2012 #27

you do realize, Obama made this decision Enrique Nov 2012 #35

yes, I do. Whisp Nov 2012 #47

Oh, I see. Beacool Dec 2012 #79

She has done quite a lot actually. Lucinda Nov 2012 #36

And she would deserve it far more than Obama who got it just for being elected. Beacool Dec 2012 #80

Comments and an illustrative video at this link: Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #29

Clinton's vote to support Bush's wars were "unfortunate and counterproductive." Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #34

Kosovo Capt. Obvious Nov 2012 #37

Its not nearly as counterproductive as Israel building more illegal settlements. bunnies Nov 2012 #38

It's not like the status quo has worked so well The Traveler Nov 2012 #66

those who make the two-state solution impossible are making the single state solution inevitable Douglas Carpenter Dec 2012 #75

I agree with the position of the Obama administration. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #81

There is no "disputed territory," JD Scootaloo Dec 2012 #85

In theory you're right, but in practice isn't that sorta naive? TeamsterDem Dec 2012 #90

An unfortunate capstone on her approach to the ME. Sums it up. Counterproductive. leveymg Dec 2012 #92

Grumpy: Clinton's pro-Israel bias "unfortunate and counterproductive." Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #98

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