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Coyotl

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76. It seems the most serious crime of all is exposing the second most serious crime of all

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 09:50 AM

Dec 2012

And I thought war crimes was on top of the list

People can prosecute and persecute Manning all they want, but that won't make the war crimes go away.
The war crimes are part of history now, and we have to face the truth of our recent actions and how we are to go down in history.

And the Republicans want to blame loss of life due to attacks on Americans on Obama?? This is why it is so important that we have a whistleblower like Manning, so truth drives the political dialogue, so Republicans have to face the facts about what drives the attacks instead of playing a distraction and look elsewhere game, playing politics with blame that rests more on them and Bush, even Reagan, than anywhere else, certainly not on Obama and his administration who inhereted their quagmire of war criminality and the logical hatred and retribution it engenders.

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The Humiliation of Bradley Manning. Had he only checked first to see if he meet with Whistleblower [View all] midnight Nov 2012 OP

K&R Mnemosyne Nov 2012 #1

A lesson I learned early in life, is if you are going to report the boss for breaking the rules Cleita Nov 2012 #2

He was prepared, and he said so. Which is what makes him all the more of a hero. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #8

I think his idea of prison was different than what he got. Cleita Nov 2012 #10

I think that is part of US strategy. And it is shameful. We used to attack dictatorships for sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #19

I agree... Rockyj Nov 2012 #45

Daniel Ellsberg backs Manning and that's good enough for me and should be good coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #47

What a great reminder and example of why this treatment of Manning is very concerning... midnight Nov 2012 #60

At some point in time, the Nixon wing of the GOP was absorbed by the.... Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 #75

My wife frequently argues that Obama's policies are to the right coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #90

The old GOP was WAY to the left of where the RW of the DEM party is now. Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 #115

I mark the end of the Dem Party I know and love to Clinton's embrace of coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #117

Screw Bradley Manning. Marinedem Nov 2012 #3

I remember DU. Gregorian Nov 2012 #4

Gregorian even though the popularity of human rights is not a hot ticket item... I can't wonder how midnight Nov 2012 #6

Yes, human rights thinking seem to be in short supply Cleita Nov 2012 #12

This is interesting.... I thought we brought the German Scientist here to help our industries... midnight Nov 2012 #22

Apples and Oranges. We didn't bring them here. The scientists were a different Cleita Nov 2012 #29

What a terrible fate... My uncle never came home from war. midnight Nov 2012 #62

I 'm sorry. Cleita Nov 2012 #63

Me too..... midnight Dec 2012 #67

"I wonder if the Russians of WWII would have even been okay with what we have done..." EX500rider Nov 2012 #56

I know about that and probably it was Cleita Nov 2012 #57

Putting those stats in perspective (and not excusing war crimes): the coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #109

Oh I agree there... EX500rider Dec 2012 #110

Yeah, again, I'm not excusing war crimes no matter who commits them. But it was not coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #113

I stand with Gen. Smedley Butler. And from the very beginning, these were wars of aggression. Gregorian Nov 2012 #32

Some of us, like myself, have a serious problem with his treatment. NCTraveler Nov 2012 #9

I don't think this is all about Manning. This is about war crimes. Gregorian Nov 2012 #37

Exactly. Your post says it all. It's not about Manning LittleGirl Nov 2012 #41

There was one video of a questionably legal air strike. Recursion Dec 2012 #83

Show me the war crime directly linked to Manning. Yes I saw those videos. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #88

^^^ That. We don't know what Manning did and didn't leak Recursion Dec 2012 #95

You're right. I am grouping it all in with Wikileaks. Gregorian Dec 2012 #111

Agree with everything in your post. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #118

Why? For exposing War Crimes? sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #61

We don't know what he did and didn't leak, or why Recursion Dec 2012 #78

Yet his attorneys are preparing to plead guilty to some of the charges. randome Dec 2012 #85

Specifically, we don't know about the Guantanamo leaks, and they're different Recursion Dec 2012 #86

Yes we do, because he himself spoke about what he leaked before he was sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #112

He had no clue what was in the information released. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #87

Since you never spoke with Bradely Manning... I can assume that you have nothing to lose by midnight Nov 2012 #5

Strange that you haven't chided anybody else in this thread for putting words mythology Nov 2012 #65

Usually I only have to question the intentions of another person's words when they dismiss midnight Dec 2012 #66

And you couldn't be more wrong. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #11

yeah, it's not like he wouldn't lie to make himself look good. And it's very easy to oppose torture KittyWampus Nov 2012 #21

So exactly how is someone supposed to oppose torture? reusrename Dec 2012 #92

I think this is an awaking for many of us who thought our govt. didn't torture... But now that midnight Nov 2012 #24

I get it, those that do morally reprehensible things should never be "narced on" by a fellow uniform Dragonfli Nov 2012 #17

Whatever. Marinedem Nov 2012 #25

Not projection, I just know how certain types think and what they say when they are home and drunk Dragonfli Nov 2012 #35

Yeah, if he had just helped cover it up, like Colin Powell and My Lai Fuddnik Nov 2012 #55

How many classified documents have you actually read? Recursion Dec 2012 #98

Let's assume that everything you said is true. spooky3 Nov 2012 #28

That's a whole 'nuther kettle of fish Marinedem Nov 2012 #34

I don't think it is separate--it's all part of the same complex situation. spooky3 Nov 2012 #38

I agree. His release was more tantrum than whistle blowing, regardless pnwmom Nov 2012 #31

Marinedem, That's the line directly from the propaganda machine. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2012 #33

Well... Marinedem Nov 2012 #36

blah blah blah blah femrap Nov 2012 #42

Woops! Here come the MIC apologists! loudsue Nov 2012 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #53

Some were nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #54

Manning revealed the commission of war crimes that were not being prosecuted or coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #48

What are you thinking of? He never claimed credit for the Gitmo leaks even to Lamo Recursion Dec 2012 #79

I was thinking specifically of the footage of the helicopter pilot. I'm not an expert coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #91

I don't argue by credential Recursion Dec 2012 #93

I try not to argue by credential either, but life is short and there's more than coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #96

I haven't heard a "word of the political establishment" Recursion Dec 2012 #97

Just as Nixon's goombahs hoped to use Ellsberg as a demonstration project to any other coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #99

I'm still missing what "crimes and perfidies" he exposed Recursion Dec 2012 #100

Helicopter pilot firing on unarmed civilians. Q.E.D. Now go fight with others on coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #101

I saw a video of a helicopter firing at armed people Recursion Dec 2012 #105

Google is your friend: coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #107

I am so glad we have you to set us straight. You seem to know his intentions. Which of rhett o rick Nov 2012 #50

Damn, I guess Daniel Elsberg should have been shot nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #52

Thank you for reminding us about the pre-trial punishment being against UCMJ. midnight Dec 2012 #70

I know nothing about the man... but... sibelian Dec 2012 #71

There are people here who will challenge your progressive bona fides for stating the obvious. MADem Dec 2012 #104

That's the biggest piece of shit I've read today on DU... MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #116

Kinda like going to the bank robbers to get an OK to inform on them. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #7

Very good way of putting it. Cleita Nov 2012 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #20

K&R! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #14

When I read your title, this was the man who came to my mind... midnight Nov 2012 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #26

Joseph Darby comes to mind (the soldier who blew the early whistle on Abu Ghraib). Then coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #51

I wonder if he was responsible for Colonel Ann Wright's inspection and later midnight Nov 2012 #64

K&R woo me with science Nov 2012 #15

If it was up to me everyone who participated in torture or approved it... white_wolf Nov 2012 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #30

I agree, but the guy who wrote the memo is teaching our new batch of law students... midnight Nov 2012 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #40

I know right? Absolutely nuts... midnight Dec 2012 #69

So you're assuming Manning did the Gitmo leak, too? Recursion Dec 2012 #80

Manning now joins the ranks of those who have done their nation a great service - truedelphi Nov 2012 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #44

The 'careerists commissioned officers' = REMFs :) - n/t coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #106

I had not heard of Hugh Thompson until about a year ago on DU. Funny how real heroes sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #59

I forgot about Thompson. Thanks. Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 #114

K&R blackspade Nov 2012 #43

I and others who have followed Manning's case closely are grateful for his heroism, snot Nov 2012 #58

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #68

I guess I'm confused.. Mangoman Dec 2012 #72

Collateral murder video. Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 #74

I never got this one... Lightbulb_on Dec 2012 #77

yeah I don't think most know.. EX500rider Dec 2012 #108

I got the impression.. Mangoman Dec 2012 #84

I'm pretty sure he saw it before and discussed it w. Adrian Lamo. Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 #89

I think a lot of what one thinks depends on how much one trusts Lamo Recursion Dec 2012 #94

It's mostly myth. We don't know what he leaked Recursion Dec 2012 #81

i suppose you were all over Scooter Libby as a traitor RomneyLies Dec 2012 #73

It seems the most serious crime of all is exposing the second most serious crime of all Coyotl Dec 2012 #76

What crime are you saying he exposed? Recursion Dec 2012 #82

Before we answer for Operation Shocking and Awful, there is the little matter of coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #103

Why is that unreasonable? treestar Dec 2012 #102