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127. Reply #107 has a completely different story

Reply to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 04:57 PM

Dec 2012

There are times where failure to get proper medical attention is definitely a case for CPS, and a bb being embedded in the skull (!) and the father prying it out with a dirty utility knife, as the OP sounds to me, would strike me as one of those cases.

But then in reply #107, it isn't the dad - it's a friend of the day. And the BB isn't in the skull, it's just under the skin or something (unclear specifically how deep.) And it wasn't a utility knive, it was a scalpel with rubbing alcohol used. I guess a bb just under the skin, maybe. But then on the other hand, it says it's near the temple, and that seems like a sensitive spot.

I can say with absolute certainty I would have gone so quickly to the ER you wouldn't have been able to even have a word with me before.

But I don't know that this is a CPS issue, and I don't think the kid should have been taken from his dad, if reply #107 is true.

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Father tries to cut BB pellet out of son's skull after mishap [View all] proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 OP

Bet they don't have health insurance riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #1

That was my first thought too PD Turk Nov 2012 #3

OMG, kidney stones! That can be very painful. I only had one once and it passed on its own. I guess RKP5637 Nov 2012 #4

Lemonade PD Turk Nov 2012 #9

I never knew that, good information to know!!! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2012 #11

What did your Doc tell you regarding breaking up stones? I've had many. Tess49 Dec 2012 #28

I and several friends who had severe kidney stones started drinking 1-2 large glasses of water dae Dec 2012 #152

Thanks for the information. I will try this. n/t Tess49 Dec 2012 #267

What few tips did he give you? dixiegrrrrl Dec 2012 #57

no health insurance here.... Maine-ah Dec 2012 #146

Yea, well I see your self-doctored and self-medicated Shankapotomus Nov 2012 #7

i bet so too. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #37

my thought also Liberal_in_LA Dec 2012 #145

I bet the father knew he was breaking local law by allowing the discharge of a BB gun pnwmom Dec 2012 #188

So a father acts in a non-emergency way over a non-emergency injury, Lionessa Nov 2012 #2

the boy is 12 CreekDog Nov 2012 #6

+1 proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #14

Which answers absolutely nothing of what I asked or commented on. Lionessa Dec 2012 #22

likewise, neither would the input of a 12 year old on the appropriateness of home-medical care CreekDog Dec 2012 #24

You misunderstand, if the child was in pain or anything like that, but Lionessa Dec 2012 #27

taking a utility knife to a kid's scalp as proper care of an injured 12 year old? CreekDog Dec 2012 #29

It was a very stupid thing to do. But I'm not sure its CPS worthy material. phleshdef Dec 2012 #30

maybe the father had no choice, since he couldn't drive the kid due to being drunk CreekDog Dec 2012 #31

I can't drive you to the hospital, the bartender took my car keys JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #63

Exactly. It's not rocket science, but OTOH it might not even be necessary. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #68

The father's digging into the scalp with a utility knife probably put the boy pnwmom Dec 2012 #190

My brother actually reattached an ear with the dog stapler... TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #142

fecking hardcore PABigDaddyDemocrat Dec 2012 #179

It's against the law to discharge a BB gun in the city limits. That alone is a CPS issue. pnwmom Dec 2012 #189

Utility could mean any number of types of kniives, and Lionessa Dec 2012 #33

Mineral Man defended a poster who considered raising a child like training a puppy CreekDog Dec 2012 #38

Some aspects of animal training do in fact work well for young children. Lionessa Dec 2012 #72

If it was just in the skin, I don't think it's such a big deal. Chemisse Dec 2012 #102

"Mineral Man defended a poster who considered raising a child like training a puppy" Shining Jack Dec 2012 #131

No, it's not "beyond the pale" - that's just your opinion demwing Dec 2012 #162

Said by somepne who has never had a scalp injury obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #44

Depends on the injury, scalps really don't hurt much after the initial strike. Lionessa Dec 2012 #76

I have had a scalp wound. They can bleed like crazy. n/t pnwmom Dec 2012 #200

Scalp injuries hurt like hell? Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #81

I've had a few stitches placed in my scalp too Aerows Dec 2012 #169

Neither do I... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #171

I don't know the pain threshold for 12 year olds though. vaberella Dec 2012 #192

I was once a twelve year old Aerows Dec 2012 #195

The reason scalp wounds Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #218

I've had a recent scalp injury demwing Dec 2012 #161

Foot pain Aerows Dec 2012 #170

Hello...he's a 12 year old child. Not a grown ass man or woman. n/t vaberella Dec 2012 #193

Seriously, scalp pain is minor Aerows Dec 2012 #196

The father wasn't successful in digging out the BB, so it must have been fairly deep. pnwmom Dec 2012 #205

You're comparing a bb gun pellet to hair dye? You're kidding me right? n/t vaberella Dec 2012 #263

It "must?" There are no other explanations? /nt demwing Dec 2012 #228

The father dug into his scalp with a knife. If the scalp needed digging into, pnwmom Dec 2012 #183

I know, lots of folks like to overreact to small injuries, Lionessa Dec 2012 #186

I'm surprised to hear otherwise sensible people defending parents who ignore city law pnwmom Dec 2012 #199

I'm surprised to hear otherwise sensible people reading only the headlines and sketchy details demwing Dec 2012 #229

he cut Dorian Gray Dec 2012 #217

Doesn't answer a damn thing demwing Dec 2012 #120

i didn't weigh in on the CPS action --i have been arguing what the dad did was stupid & dangerous CreekDog Dec 2012 #124

When I was that age mythology Dec 2012 #20

we have flesh eating bacteria now, cutting is best left to the professionals CreekDog Dec 2012 #32

Problem is. . . there likelihood of acquiring MRSA is huge at a hospital compared to Lionessa Dec 2012 #34

a doctor at a home might be safer but not some dope with a utility knife CreekDog Dec 2012 #36

We didn't lead sheltered lives Confusious Dec 2012 #71

My second ex-hub shot himself through Lionessa Dec 2012 #78

I still got a divot in the muscle in the back of my leg Confusious Dec 2012 #80

But he went to see a doctor about it? Dorian Gray Dec 2012 #220

taking the child to the ER makes him sheltered? CreekDog Dec 2012 #173

For a minor cut, yea. nt Confusious Dec 2012 #213

it's not a minor cut, it was an embedded BB CreekDog Dec 2012 #219

If you're going to be a jerk, Confusious Dec 2012 #222

I've had a 45 go through my leg Confusious Dec 2012 #223

I know, I don't get this outrage Aerows Dec 2012 #197

you assume people are crazy because they don't agree with you? demwing Dec 2012 #121

As it turned out, no utility knive was used. MineralMan Dec 2012 #129

And as it turned out, the surgery was unsuccessful. So it couldn't have been that superficial. pnwmom Dec 2012 #212

Well, I have change my vote then Confusious Dec 2012 #215

No, we just don't wig out and make huge deals out of little accidents... snooper2 Dec 2012 #163

wrong obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #45

*cough* X_Digger Dec 2012 #58

You're overly concerned. JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #111

we're talking about cutting a hole big enough in a kid to get a bb out CreekDog Dec 2012 #113

That's a pretty small hole, and there's already one where MineralMan Dec 2012 #130

if I try to make you guys sound ridiculous, you always outdo me CreekDog Dec 2012 #132

OMG! A BB is about 4.5mm (less, actually) demwing Dec 2012 #165

You FAIL when you say, "it's a small hole" CreekDog Dec 2012 #172

well good thing I didn't say that then, right? demwing Dec 2012 #227

I agree.... JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #104

I had two prongs of a treble hook in the back of my head learning to overhead cast as a kid. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2012 #147

Any father should know that a doctor should treat a head wound, and that antibiotics pnwmom Dec 2012 #182

Your theories have not shown to be Lionessa Dec 2012 #184

I had a staple rip a gash in my finger once Confusious Dec 2012 #262

Here's a WA state health department that recommends a tetanus booster after an injury. pnwmom Dec 2012 #265

The finger gash was 20 years ago, Confusious Dec 2012 #266

Exactly. Non-emergency way Aerows Dec 2012 #194

wrong- see post #242 elias7 Dec 2012 #243

absolutely wrong elias7 Dec 2012 #242

There was no skull penetration. Ms. Toad Dec 2012 #248

Probably needed a leatherman... Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #5

Some "doctor" you are... JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #98

Can you explain what you mean here? noamnety Dec 2012 #128

generally quoted from MASH JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #136

Oh, look, it was a quote from MASH RetroLounge Dec 2012 #138

Reference quote from MASH (1970). JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #157

Yeah... if you carry your local paramedic in your pocket... Lightbulb_on Dec 2012 #141

He was inspired by the woman who painted Potato Jesus. nt OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #8

Without insurance, a visit to the emergency room is very expensive. Kaleva Nov 2012 #10

I can understand that concern loyalsister Dec 2012 #21

If that BB came from an ordinary BB gun, MineralMan Dec 2012 #126

Was it not obvious to the man loyalsister Dec 2012 #134

Hmm...hard to say whether this rises to the arrest level. MineralMan Nov 2012 #12

Oh come on. This wasn't a finger. It was a HEAD. proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #15

It was also a BB. MineralMan Nov 2012 #17

you don't have any credibility on this CreekDog Dec 2012 #39

You went to DU2 to find that? MineralMan Dec 2012 #51

What's the problem with going to DU2? Shining Jack Dec 2012 #52

It's not DU that is the problem. It's going and looking MineralMan Dec 2012 #55

I never said that DU was the problem. Shining Jack Dec 2012 #59

Yeah, I find that sort of thing OVER A SILLY BB to be a bit creepy. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #100

A BB is a GUN PELLET obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #47

It is. It's a .177" diameter steel ball. MineralMan Dec 2012 #50

I had a friend end up with a BB in his brain. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #61

I've cut off skin tags before noamnety Dec 2012 #62

I remember a 2 year old here in my city being killed with a BB gun proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #156

It's a BB under the skin. Heck, I see feline patients all the time that have a BB or 2 in them that kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #69

You were lucky, my dad would have never wasted a fishing hook like that. JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #82

There was no way that hook was going to MineralMan Dec 2012 #87

I was sort of kidding about saving the hook... JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #110

Why is the boy in protective custody? From whom is he being protected?.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #13

He's 12. That's why. proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #16

Again, from whom is he being protected? nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #25

the dad/home surgeon with the utility knife CreekDog Dec 2012 #40

Thank you proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #42

I was kinda thinking the same demwing Dec 2012 #122

Yeah, god forbid he have children RetroLounge Dec 2012 #139

By all means, go barf demwing Dec 2012 #150

or your approval RetroLounge Dec 2012 #154

Yes, or my approval demwing Dec 2012 #160

I'm glad you can diagnose via DU postings RetroLounge Dec 2012 #166

And I am glad demwing Dec 2012 #167

Oh, you have no idea. RetroLounge Dec 2012 #198

Hmmm, that's sad demwing Dec 2012 #226

Hang in there. You'll be okay. RetroLounge Dec 2012 #261

No that didn't work demwing Dec 2012 #264

Guess it all depends on the capabilities of those involved. Thor_MN Dec 2012 #158

And something must have gone wrong. Or else why did he bring him pnwmom Dec 2012 #203

Like I said, depends on the capabilities of those involved. Thor_MN Dec 2012 #231

So, responding with an insulting comment is a good way to have a discussion?.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #164

He didn't have an umbrella. The bouillabaisse was salty. I like sandalwood. demwing Dec 2012 #125

I agree with you. woo me with science Nov 2012 #19

It doesn't make sense to me, either Aerows Dec 2012 #43

I agree. This is an over-reaction by the authoritehs. slackmaster Dec 2012 #53

I think a review of some of the replies here... JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #88

The dad deserved a stern lecture from a physician. It needn't become an issue for government. slackmaster Dec 2012 #112

This was not an overreaction. The father probably avoided treatment because he knew pnwmom Dec 2012 #185

The father wasn't even home when the boy shot the gun slackmaster Dec 2012 #235

I agree. redqueen Dec 2012 #105

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #137

It is KS. Cops sees the Devil Buddha and has to 'Save' the boy with Baby Jesus! Viking12 Dec 2012 #151

Nice regional slam. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #168

My step-father duct-taped the end of his finger back on. It was to the first knuckle. We spent Mnemosyne Nov 2012 #18

Ah, the real man Confusious Dec 2012 #74

Nanny state former-republican Dec 2012 #23

I just won bingo! obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #48

everyone's hitting BINGO this weekend on DU CreekDog Dec 2012 #214

Ah, home doctorin'. DUers got their share, I see. My Mom was good at that... Hekate Dec 2012 #26

Huh, are you sure about that last part, my son flipped himself backward off Lionessa Dec 2012 #35

Your son was the exception, rather than the rule. Ms. Toad Dec 2012 #41

Then perhaps it matters where on the scalp because, and bald men will agree Lionessa Dec 2012 #70

Male head hair doesn't work like cat's whiskers Confusious Dec 2012 #77

Well that's not what the ex or the many other baldies I've Lionessa Dec 2012 #83

I would think the exact same thing Confusious Dec 2012 #90

Hair may not be equivalent to whiskers, but it does Lionessa Dec 2012 #91

Yea, well it doesn't help me :) Confusious Dec 2012 #95

That may make a difference - Ms. Toad Dec 2012 #97

Scalp injuries are rarely bloody & ER docs used HAIR as sutures? obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #49

Here's a link for you.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #56

That's very interesting, X_Digger. I can't wait to try it next time one of my friends gets a gaping slackmaster Dec 2012 #67

Thank you X_Digger, that's twice in one thread, Lionessa Dec 2012 #89

de nada. X_Digger Dec 2012 #94

Yes indeed, standart practice for scalp injuries not requiring skull consideration. Lionessa Dec 2012 #75

Depends on the location, and yes, MineralMan Dec 2012 #92

I do actual surgery all the time and think that's incredibly CLEVER. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #101

agree - very clever! Kali Dec 2012 #239

A couple of months ago, I read the 1911 Boy Scout Handbook on MineralMan Dec 2012 #96

My scout handbook was still much the same into the 70's. TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #148

Basic gun safety should be taught in public schools slackmaster Dec 2012 #46

Let's see.. things that my family 'doctored' for me.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #54

Guess we were raised in a different time. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2012 #65

Flesh wounds? Confusious Dec 2012 #79

Well yeah... dixiegrrrrl Dec 2012 #84

Different times and/or different cultures.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #85

My dad taught me how to make wound closing sutures from adhesive tape. JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #93

Really? abelenkpe Dec 2012 #60

I don't have a problem with an investigation. It's their job. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #64

Yes, because they jump in with both jackbooted feet.... TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #149

US healthcare system JVS Dec 2012 #66

Apparently the family involved is African-American. hedgehog Dec 2012 #86

Excellent questions. Ms. Toad Dec 2012 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #103

I stand corrected regarding the race of the family. hedgehog Dec 2012 #106

Perhaps an African-American father would be sitting in jail in the same situation slackmaster Dec 2012 #115

That's a great question slackmaster Dec 2012 #114

Why do you assume because they are AA that they don't have a pricier address? RetroLounge Dec 2012 #140

I looked at the video tape in the original link - all the neighbors interviewed hedgehog Dec 2012 #144

You are correct Shrek Dec 2012 #221

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #107

It wasn't in the skull. MineralMan Dec 2012 #109

Wow, so it wasn't the boy's father, rather the boy's father's friend slackmaster Dec 2012 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #118

I think Zeke is the boy's father's boyfriend, and the "girlfriend" is just a neighbor they asked... slackmaster Dec 2012 #119

I copied that headline from the article. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #143

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #153

No Surprise That Our Gun Enthusiasts Sided With The Dad, Here. Paladin Dec 2012 #108

Also No Surprise That Our Resident Authoritarians Sided With The State, Here, Sir. slackmaster Dec 2012 #117

obviously the safety of a 12 year old boy is secondary to a dad's god-given right to be a stupid ass CreekDog Dec 2012 #123

That's a classic false dilemma slackmaster Dec 2012 #159

well you just brought up a second reason to consider the dad a stupid ass CreekDog Dec 2012 #175

Sorry, sided with the dad Confusious Dec 2012 #133

Reply #107 has a completely different story gollygee Dec 2012 #127

The fact that there's more to the story doesn't lessen the need for CPS to get involved. pnwmom Dec 2012 #211

OK well if an adult and child were playing with a BB gun together like that gollygee Dec 2012 #216

Idiot! mfcorey1 Dec 2012 #135

and THIS is why rural people think urbanites are so frightening Kali Dec 2012 #155

thinking a kid should be seen by a doctor (ER or urgent care or whatever) is not "freaking out" CreekDog Dec 2012 #174

you are still whining about this? Kali Dec 2012 #176

you're still advocating that kids be treated like your livestock? CreekDog Dec 2012 #178

heaven forbid people show any common fucking sense Skittles Dec 2012 #177

common sense is using first aid when you can rather than running to the ER Kali Dec 2012 #181

................ Skittles Dec 2012 #187

... Kali Dec 2012 #191

Why did they wait so long to take him, after the "surgery" was unsuccessful? pnwmom Dec 2012 #204

What law are you referring to? /nt demwing Dec 2012 #224

This law: pnwmom Dec 2012 #225

Not what you said demwing Dec 2012 #232

The law prohibits the discharge of a BB gun. In this case, a BB gun was discharged. pnwmom Dec 2012 #233

Have you ever fired a BB gun? demwing Dec 2012 #238

IF that's what happened. But the nurse's aid who was asked to help out told a different story. pnwmom Dec 2012 #241

Yep, I do blame CPS demwing Dec 2012 #251

CPS didn't remove him from the home. Zeke's girlfriend did that, when she finally pnwmom Dec 2012 #254

They may have acted lawfully... demwing Dec 2012 #255

wait so long? wasn't it the next day? Kali Dec 2012 #234

fuck if I know why they "waited so long" it was only a day later Kali Dec 2012 #237

The nurse's aid who saw him after the injury thought he should see a doctor right pnwmom Dec 2012 #244

OMG YOU'LL PUT YOUR EYE OUT1!!!!11! Kali Dec 2012 #245

The CDC doesn't think this is a joke, and neither should any responsible adult. pnwmom Dec 2012 #247

thanks for looking that up, really Kali Dec 2012 #249

Would you say that if it was your pal who decided to take it upon himself to dig into pnwmom Dec 2012 #210

yes Kali Dec 2012 #236

Why do you think the father finally took the boy to the hospital? pnwmom Dec 2012 #202

Maybe he had to break down his meth lab first? demwing Dec 2012 #230

What's that Billy? You shot yourself in the head with your BB gun? Iggy Dec 2012 #180

Why did the father finally take the boy to the hospital? Probably because the wound pnwmom Dec 2012 #201

nope. because the kid didn't tell the dad about it and not until the guy the kid... yawnmaster Dec 2012 #206

More recent reports say the father went to work on Thursday after he learned of the injury, pnwmom Dec 2012 #208

depends on the bb gun, but they don't make that much noise... yawnmaster Dec 2012 #257

Thanks for the info, yawnmaster. n/t pnwmom Dec 2012 #259

Signs of infection the day after doesn't prove it was infected the day before. tinrobot Dec 2012 #207

You are right. And since then there is more information pnwmom Dec 2012 #209

"Let's not start making assumptions here." Kali Dec 2012 #240

My ophthalmologist is strongly against spongy "Nerf" guns because of the eye damage he's seen. pnwmom Dec 2012 #252

nerf products are exactly what is wrong with people like you these days Kali Dec 2012 #256

You could be right. The father here and/or Zeke played with too many Nerf products, pnwmom Dec 2012 #258

i still got some fresh unclutched pearls datasuspect Dec 2012 #246

hahahahaha Kali Dec 2012 #250

Give a kid a BB gun and he will use it to kill songbirds Kolesar Dec 2012 #253

Why is this a child abuse case? It seems like he tried to help the boy but did it wrong. craigmatic Dec 2012 #260