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47. It's almost a truism among Marxist-Leninist critiques of capitalism that the

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:13 PM

Dec 2012

superstructure and the ruling elite use skin color (a non-essential characteristic) to divide the working class whose essence lies in its relationship to the means of production. (Same logic applies to gender and sexual orientation.)

That critique does not apply absolutely to this situation in Palestine and Israel, colored as the region is with legacy religious and colonization issues, but it is interesting to at least contemplate a 'single-state solution' with one man, one vote, such that the Israeli and Palestinian working classes could make common cause against the ruling classes and reactionary forces. Because, truly, the Israeli and Palestinian working classes have far more in common with one another than either does with the global 1%.

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Well, many here were so excited about the Arab Spring(!) and so you have it... [View all] PCIntern Dec 2012 OP

And there we have it Recursion Dec 2012 #1

There's that false equivalency again...pesky little devil... PCIntern Dec 2012 #5

That belongs to other countries? Aerows Dec 2012 #33

Or real life example close to home tama Dec 2012 #75

... Matariki Dec 2012 #125

I quote: JDPriestly Dec 2012 #82

I don't understand the tone of your post. rucky Dec 2012 #2

This is nature of democracy and revolutionary politics TomClash Dec 2012 #3

I agree Old and In the Way Dec 2012 #79

The poster is clear enough about his support for the JackRiddler Dec 2012 #81

Too bad there's no more "Shame On You" cards left in the deck. rucky Dec 2012 #109

this to will pass into the history books. madrchsod Dec 2012 #4

Way to jump the gun! pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #6

If I could summarize the OP in a few words (as if the avatar doesn't already): coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #11

um... you are aware that a shitload of Israelis ARE these brown people? ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #14

Jesus H. Christ, 20% of Israel's population is Arab. I have never been there, but coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #20

ok fine... ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #23

No worries. I hope to visit Israel one day. Always wanted to try my hand at coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #26

What color will they be? Or will we have to invent a new one? pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #44

It's almost a truism among Marxist-Leninist critiques of capitalism that the coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #47

Black and White tama Dec 2012 #77

Gloating over misery and violence. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #7

It really bugs me how much of a theme that is here re: the Arab Spring Posteritatis Dec 2012 #72

Yeah, democracy sucks. bemildred Dec 2012 #8

Morsi agrees with you... n/t ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #10

What do you think about it? nt bemildred Dec 2012 #31

i think morsi made a big power grab after a little juice got going ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #35

No, about democracy, do you think democracy sucks? bemildred Dec 2012 #42

actually, yes, pure democracy sucks... ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #93

I thought so. nt bemildred Dec 2012 #98

so... mob rule ... rules? i hope you don't live in the USA. ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #107

This place is named Democratic Underground. bemildred Dec 2012 #118

you have no idea what a pure democracy looks like ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #126

Well then, neither do you, for the same reason, so you don't know what you are talking about. nt bemildred Dec 2012 #127

ah, but I am not the one trying to defend it... ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #128

No, you're trying to attack it, but you don't know what you're talking about. bemildred Dec 2012 #130

I'm disappointed Skidmore Dec 2012 #9

+1000 trumad Dec 2012 #15

+2000 pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #18

+3000 UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #89

+3000 LiberalLoner Dec 2012 #103

hate to disturb your doom and gloom but quinnox Dec 2012 #12

An Islamic theocracy is "moving along"? TrueBlueinCO Dec 2012 #88

What did you imagine they'd have? An atheist parliament? Nt DevonRex Dec 2012 #121

ummmmm, no TrueBlueinCO Dec 2012 #123

The reality is that they undoubtedly feel DevonRex Dec 2012 #124

Ya none of those people deserve life. aandegoons Dec 2012 #13

The Problem Is It Took Us Over Two Hundred Years To Build A Republic And Many Still Don't Like It DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2012 #16

Closer to eight hundred. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #70

Yeah, *some* people can't handle freedom. Barack_America Dec 2012 #17

If you ask Founding Fathers tama Dec 2012 #78

Congratulations to you too. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #19

Morsi isn't interested in an 'actual democracy' n/t B2G Dec 2012 #21

and Morsi is not the Arab Spring n/t Enrique Dec 2012 #29

He's the direct result of it. B2G Dec 2012 #39

so is Elbaradei Enrique Dec 2012 #45

Morsi won the election, the constitution will go to a popular vote. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #41

First off, this OP is disgusting...... marmar Dec 2012 #22

it sounds as if the OP wanted the status quo forever quinnox Dec 2012 #24

Cui bono? TomClash Dec 2012 #84

How many years was it after we declared ourselves independent with 'liberty for all' and grantcart Dec 2012 #25

And how many before that were needed to get the philosophical underpinnings in place? Posteritatis Dec 2012 #73

The beginnings of our democracy was a total mess & very complicated as well. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #27

Not to mention the present tama Dec 2012 #80

i think people were more realistic than that Enrique Dec 2012 #28

The majority of Arabs are Muslims and are anti-Israel FarCenter Dec 2012 #30

You're right. Those people needed to shut the fuck up and put up with their shitty conditions no Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2012 #32

Sorry but Israel's policies makes it a rogue nation. Ya Basta Dec 2012 #34

Horrible Post... Iggy Dec 2012 #36

its possible that the arab spring will help the region Mosby Dec 2012 #57

There's a depressingly large pile of people here who believe just that. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #71

Yeah, I see that Iggy Dec 2012 #83

The bar's certainly set with a shovel these days. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #85

We understand. The Arabs are sub-humans. alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #37

Submit. Obey. Do Not Question Authority! Do not rebel against tyranny. Zorra Dec 2012 #38

Apparently Personal Freedom is to be Enjoyed ONLY Iggy Dec 2012 #94

I was never too excited about the Arab spring, but I wish I could unrec your OP because it is bad. JVS Dec 2012 #40

Whew. Zionist tells it like he sees it. Thanks for the honesty. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #43

Classic hit and run post. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #46

Yes, I had noticed that a certain someone has gone conspicuously AWOL on this thread. Grr, that coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #48

What should piss you off PCIntern Dec 2012 #49

Can I be pissed off on both accounts? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #50

Hit and run? PCIntern Dec 2012 #51

radicals? a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #54

Well, as I said, I can be pissed by the Morsi abuses nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #55

can't both piss one off? Do you honestly support what Israel does vis a vis cali Dec 2012 #52

Somehow... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #56

North Africa is good pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #59

I haven't visited Africa in decades... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #60

It will be a BIG change for you pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #61

I sounds like it could be fun... but... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #63

Your failure to respond to pinboy3niner's substantive reply in post #6 ff. speaks coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #64

This OP makes DU suck RetroLounge Dec 2012 #53

Well, it's not over yet. But it doesn't look promising. Then again, is it worse than before... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #58

Let's put Mubarak back!!! JackRiddler Dec 2012 #62

Bring back Pharaoh! - n/t coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #65

I think that would be interesting. Still don't know how Belgium jumped into this discussion. freshwest Dec 2012 #92

Yeah, this was a classic 'hit and run' OP, as William Pitt observed. But had the OP coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #96

You know what? xfundy Dec 2012 #66

Somewhat clairvoyant... PCIntern Dec 2012 #68

Much like PCIntern, I saw this coming from a mile away as well TrueBlueinCO Dec 2012 #87

"The people there don't even cherish freedom as a value." Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #111

Some do...and some don't. zellie Dec 2012 #113

And the irony was totally lost on this young lad zellie Dec 2012 #115

Freedom is a journey, not a destination. Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #67

The whole time I've mainly seen people desperately hoping for it to fall on its face. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #69

You should really stop for a minute and think about what you wrote Marrah_G Dec 2012 #74

He's a hit and run poster, without either the courage to defend his thesis, respond to his critics, coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #119

So we should continue to support despots? mahina Dec 2012 #76

ohfercrissake riverwalker Dec 2012 #86

What the hell? Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #90

Oh look, an Israel fanatic who doesn't like the Arab Spring LittleBlue Dec 2012 #91

I fully expected this response, PCIntern Dec 2012 #95

remembering the Holocaust is righteous Enrique Dec 2012 #99

And what do you think you are doing to them? aandegoons Dec 2012 #101

"all I did was show up, and that was enough to be hated" WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #102

And Israel did a bit more than "just show up". Barack_America Dec 2012 #116

"among all the potential enemies," FarCenter Dec 2012 #104

"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing." ~ Albert Einstein Zorra Dec 2012 #110

I get that you're mourning the evil done to your ancestors. Barack_America Dec 2012 #112

That is incredibly insightful and honest zellie Dec 2012 #114

Your murdered forbearers do not justify what you posted. Scootaloo Dec 2012 #129

I don't get your point. Are you suggesting Arab countries are incapable morningfog Dec 2012 #97

I assume you read the draft Constitution? Coyotl Dec 2012 #100

Maybe the administration has decided Israel is not worth the backlash to the US. dkf Dec 2012 #105

Nothing in the Universe ends well, my friend... PCIntern Dec 2012 #106

Ah.... The Arab Spring zellie Dec 2012 #108

What This hasn't been banned by the sanctimonious jury panel? garthranzz Dec 2012 #117

You have conveniently forgotten what Israel did to one of its own dissidents, Mordechai coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #120

what "the Arabs" are doing Enrique Dec 2012 #122