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Earth_First

(14,910 posts) Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:15 PM Dec 2012

No, I will not feel gender guilt [View all]

The discussion on rape has desended into a situation where no matter what; the men of DU should feel male gender guilt.

I'm not having any more of it.

Enough.

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No, I will not feel gender guilt [View all] Earth_First Dec 2012 OP

I agree: it is enough. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2012 #1

If that's what you've taken from the discussion, WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #2

^^this^^^ hlthe2b Dec 2012 #3

WP you are smarter than that... Earth_First Dec 2012 #4

What was your other take away from the discussion then? bettyellen Dec 2012 #10

It's only introduction is by men here TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #117

+1 myrna minx Dec 2012 #5

can I ask a dumb question? salin Dec 2012 #9

Background WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #22

thanks. salin Dec 2012 #29

I just peaked at the thread your linking to, how f*in absurd. Really? crazyjoe Dec 2012 #41

So you're saying there is absolutely NOTHING you personally Tsiyu Dec 2012 #67

The basic progression noamnety Dec 2012 #30

yikes. Seriously. salin Dec 2012 #95

There was also a post that was eventually self deleted in which some guy, probably Squinch Dec 2012 #87

That was one of the few threads that I first stumbled upon, salin Dec 2012 #97

Amazing what crawls around under the surface, isn't it? Squinch Dec 2012 #100

A long-time poster got banned for sexually harassing another poster in the Lounge. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #94

And clearly kicked up a shitstorm that appears to have salin Dec 2012 #101

I've learned we live in a "rape culture" Confusious Dec 2012 #12

Common because it happens often - there are lots of victims gollygee Dec 2012 #14

I've read over and over again in these threads that it's a minority of men, ALSO. OP is BS. bettyellen Dec 2012 #16

Yea, well, like I said Confusious Dec 2012 #24

Impression? So the actual words used don't matter- just this fuzzy impression you get? bettyellen Dec 2012 #27

I thought you were suppose be understanding about other peoples feelings Confusious Dec 2012 #33

Why would I let you off the hook for misrepresenting post made about men? There are about 6-7 bettyellen Dec 2012 #34

Throwing out what false accusations? Confusious Dec 2012 #36

you learned here " all men rape and should feel guilty about it" bettyellen Dec 2012 #43

A. I have no cohorts Confusious Dec 2012 #50

and I'm not one of the "usual suspects" you call out, LOL. bettyellen Dec 2012 #51

Yes you are one of the usual suspects Confusious Dec 2012 #53

great, because I'm hoping your cohorts ignore all of us, so we can converse without being misquoted bettyellen Dec 2012 #57

+ 1000000000 Tsiyu Dec 2012 #65

I am one of the good guys Confusious Dec 2012 #69

I lectured you about posting lies here, and you knew that you were doing it- really? bettyellen Dec 2012 #72

Did someone say something? Confusious Dec 2012 #74

Here's a clue from the Clue Wagon Tsiyu Dec 2012 #88

Have you ever been raped? Omaha Steve Dec 2012 #52

Yea, I guess I knew that was coming Confusious Dec 2012 #58

that is truly horrible. I am sorry this happened to you. bettyellen Dec 2012 #76

She apologized for both before she died 10 years ago Confusious Dec 2012 #79

I'm waiting for your snappy rejoinder Steve. nt Confusious Dec 2012 #70

With the number of accusations being thrown around Confusious Dec 2012 #17

so you didn't actually read any of the posts, and post w/ out rage based on nothing read here- just bettyellen Dec 2012 #19

I read the posts, and it was pretty discouraging Confusious Dec 2012 #20

you say you misread the posts- figuring people accused a majority. As did the OP. bettyellen Dec 2012 #25

I never said anything about misreading any posts Confusious Dec 2012 #31

you "figured it was a majority" = not reading the posts in any detail bettyellen Dec 2012 #35

Oh I read the posts Confusious Dec 2012 #37

.... Tsiyu Dec 2012 #63

You figured that despite the opposite being said over and over again? gollygee Dec 2012 #23

The usual suspects show up Confusious Dec 2012 #26

It is appropriate to use the term "rape culture" not because all of the males are complicit but grantcart Dec 2012 #91

Welcome to noticing this shit. redqueen Dec 2012 #15

Yeah, it really drives home the old saying about ignorance being bliss. white_wolf Dec 2012 #28

Seriously, right? obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #77

I am 100% certain that if you would simply prepare a well thought out OP for grantcart Dec 2012 #84

The misogynists are getting defensive. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #93

guilt? No. A recognition of cultural truths, yes. noamnety Dec 2012 #6

yes, group privilege is an understanding that some people are treated unequally La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #40

What? gollygee Dec 2012 #7

If you're not a criminal Confusious Dec 2012 #39

That is not at all parallel gollygee Dec 2012 #59

Nope, no guilt. Just annoyance. Confusious Dec 2012 #62

Feel free to start a thread about child abuse gollygee Dec 2012 #71

Thanks for being nice Confusious Dec 2012 #73

we got more "Not me" or "I raped" threads from men... yet you complain about women lecturing you? bettyellen Dec 2012 #75

Why do we need to learn anything if most men don't do it? Confusious Dec 2012 #78

Ergo? Ha ha... BULLSHIT - no one said most men do it- bettyellen Dec 2012 #80

Really, like you put in mine? Confusious Dec 2012 #82

In one study, one in sixteen college men admitted to rape. antigone382 Dec 2012 #105

Link? bettyellen Dec 2012 #8

LOL Sheldon Cooper Dec 2012 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author Earth_First Dec 2012 #13

I remember hearing this from my great grandfather talking about black people. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #18

I remember my cousin saying this about his future wife, LOL. bettyellen Dec 2012 #21

THAT is a pretty profound observation. Of course you are right, and it puts the Squinch Dec 2012 #86

It just makes me sad that in issue after issue, decade after decade, we have to re-fight Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #116

lol La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #32

Exactly. DavidDvorkin Dec 2012 #38

Well, aren't you courageous! MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #42

After Dipping into a Couple of Those Threads On the Road Dec 2012 #44

I'm sorry that is all you have gotten from the conversation. Marrah_G Dec 2012 #45

If you feel guilt ask yourself why Tsiyu Dec 2012 #46

Any time the topic degrades into 'men this' and 'women that' it is uncomfortable and divisive. Chemisse Dec 2012 #47

it was some men here, who refused to hear ANY discussion without insisting they were being accused bettyellen Dec 2012 #54

agree, there are those willing to jump right to that conclusion treestar Dec 2012 #64

Nice. one_voice Dec 2012 #56

So fucking dumb alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #48

I would so unrec this if I could. Kalidurga Dec 2012 #49

Except there isn't room for discussion on this according to a number of people mythology Dec 2012 #81

How not to get raped. Kalidurga Dec 2012 #90

men are denying a rape culture exists, claim their pain (at merely being asked to acknowledge it) bettyellen Dec 2012 #110

I'm sorry that you feel as though males have been demonized through all of this, savebigbird Dec 2012 #55

That was the most reasoned response on this thread. CrispyQ Dec 2012 #60

*Cyber Wave* savebigbird Dec 2012 #61

You have my support and I am female malaise Dec 2012 #66

Shocking. nt redqueen Dec 2012 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author JustJoe Dec 2012 #83

Personally... 99Forever Dec 2012 #85

Given that the incidence of females rapeing males is virtually nonexistent, grantcart Dec 2012 #89

I had the same attitude, then a friend of mine got raped. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #92

Is this a feeble attempt at a joke? etherealtruth Dec 2012 #96

Not guilt..responsibility...responsibility to step up and act. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #98

Are you a rapist? StarryNite Dec 2012 #99

Exactly. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #102

Yeah... StarryNite Dec 2012 #104

I just asked my wife IDoMath Dec 2012 #103

Where mercuryblues Dec 2012 #106

Men in general are not responsible for the crimes of people like Julian Assange Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #107

was there EVER a post here that said that? It's like Bigfoot.. all talk about mythical crap. bettyellen Dec 2012 #108

But we have to put up strawmen, dear bettyellen Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #118

I don't feel gender guilt. Jamaal510 Dec 2012 #109

I don't think it's about feeling guilty for being a man. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2012 #111

You were feeling angry and rightly so. StarryNite Dec 2012 #112

I don't think men should feel gender guilt about rape cherish44 Dec 2012 #113

I don't think anyone here is asking you to feel guilty for being a man. Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #114

Well said and thank you n/t DemocratsForProgress Dec 2012 #115