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In reply to the discussion: Rape more Common than Smoking in the US [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)60. The Obama administration changes were unable to stop a CT court from setting a rapist free, see:
Court Requires Disabled Rape Victim To Prove She Resisted, Calls For Evidence Of Biting, Kicking, Scratching
By Zack Beauchamp on Oct 3, 2012
In a 4-3 ruling Tuesday afternoon, the Connecticut State Supreme Court overturned the sexual assault conviction of a man who had sex with a woman who has severe cerebral palsy, has the intellectual functional equivalent of a 3-year-old and cannot verbally communicate. The Court held that, because Connecticut statutes define physical incapacity for the purpose of sexual assault as unconscious or for any other reason. . . physically unable to communicate unwillingness to an act, the defendant could not be convicted if there was any chance that the victim could have communicated her lack of consent. Since the victim in this case was capable of biting, kicking, scratching, screeching, groaning or gesturing, the Court ruled that that victim could have communicated lack of consent despite her serious mental deficiencies:
When we consider this evidence in the light most favorable to sustaining the verdict, and in a manner that is consistent with the states theory of guilt at trial, we, like the Appellate Court, are not persuaded that the state produced any credible evidence that the [victim] was either unconscious or so uncommunicative that she was physically incapable of manifesting to the defendant her lack of consent to sexual intercourse at the time of the alleged sexual assault.
According to the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network (RAINN), lack of physical resistance is not evidence of consent, as many victims make the good judgment that physical resistance would cause the attacker to become more violent. RAINN also notes that lack of consent is implicit if you were under the statutory age of consent, or if you had a mental defect as the victim did in this case.
That's the 3-paragraph limit. I'm disenheartened that a court would do this. If anyone knows or has family members in this condition, resistance is not what is going to happen. It makes me too sick to say anymore, but you guys judge. More at link:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/10/03/947981/court-requires-disabled-rape-victim-to-prove-she-fought-back-calls-for-evidence-of-biting-kicking-scratching/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=edit&forum=1002&thread=1474289
Think Progress UPDATE:
An astute reader pointed out that the prosecution appears to have made an egregious error in the trial. Instead of prosecuting the sexual assault on grounds that the victim was mentally defective (subsection 2 of this code), they charged that sexual assault took place because the victim was physically helpless (subsection 3). Without the subsection 2 evidence, the Court could not consider the mental capacity of the victim and hence ruled only on physical helplessness, perhaps wrongly. As noted above, disability rights advocates still have major concerns about the majoritys holding on subsection 3 grounds, as it appears to set a higher standard of proof of physical helplessness for disabled victims relative to able-bodied ones.
The Obama administration legal change made months before, and likely taken into account when he was convicted. But with double jeopardy, he can't be charged twice.
Anyone who knows people with CP knows they are physically helpless, and can be mentally defective or not. But she was no more able to resist than an unconscious person such as the Obama change specifies, as well.
From the OP and about the Obama change:
Physical resistance from the victim is not required to demonstrate lack of consent in the new definition, NBC reported.
I think it fits well within the law. Yet the CT Supreme Court still let him go free.
The thread has some very good comments.
By Zack Beauchamp on Oct 3, 2012
In a 4-3 ruling Tuesday afternoon, the Connecticut State Supreme Court overturned the sexual assault conviction of a man who had sex with a woman who has severe cerebral palsy, has the intellectual functional equivalent of a 3-year-old and cannot verbally communicate. The Court held that, because Connecticut statutes define physical incapacity for the purpose of sexual assault as unconscious or for any other reason. . . physically unable to communicate unwillingness to an act, the defendant could not be convicted if there was any chance that the victim could have communicated her lack of consent. Since the victim in this case was capable of biting, kicking, scratching, screeching, groaning or gesturing, the Court ruled that that victim could have communicated lack of consent despite her serious mental deficiencies:
When we consider this evidence in the light most favorable to sustaining the verdict, and in a manner that is consistent with the states theory of guilt at trial, we, like the Appellate Court, are not persuaded that the state produced any credible evidence that the [victim] was either unconscious or so uncommunicative that she was physically incapable of manifesting to the defendant her lack of consent to sexual intercourse at the time of the alleged sexual assault.
According to the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network (RAINN), lack of physical resistance is not evidence of consent, as many victims make the good judgment that physical resistance would cause the attacker to become more violent. RAINN also notes that lack of consent is implicit if you were under the statutory age of consent, or if you had a mental defect as the victim did in this case.
That's the 3-paragraph limit. I'm disenheartened that a court would do this. If anyone knows or has family members in this condition, resistance is not what is going to happen. It makes me too sick to say anymore, but you guys judge. More at link:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/10/03/947981/court-requires-disabled-rape-victim-to-prove-she-fought-back-calls-for-evidence-of-biting-kicking-scratching/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=edit&forum=1002&thread=1474289
Think Progress UPDATE:
An astute reader pointed out that the prosecution appears to have made an egregious error in the trial. Instead of prosecuting the sexual assault on grounds that the victim was mentally defective (subsection 2 of this code), they charged that sexual assault took place because the victim was physically helpless (subsection 3). Without the subsection 2 evidence, the Court could not consider the mental capacity of the victim and hence ruled only on physical helplessness, perhaps wrongly. As noted above, disability rights advocates still have major concerns about the majoritys holding on subsection 3 grounds, as it appears to set a higher standard of proof of physical helplessness for disabled victims relative to able-bodied ones.
The Obama administration legal change made months before, and likely taken into account when he was convicted. But with double jeopardy, he can't be charged twice.
Anyone who knows people with CP knows they are physically helpless, and can be mentally defective or not. But she was no more able to resist than an unconscious person such as the Obama change specifies, as well.
From the OP and about the Obama change:
Physical resistance from the victim is not required to demonstrate lack of consent in the new definition, NBC reported.
I think it fits well within the law. Yet the CT Supreme Court still let him go free.
The thread has some very good comments.
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Nope. I caught a big case of outrage fatigue, and I don't plan to get over it.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#12
Yes, '...into this feeling that I really don't know who to trust... there is no true safe place..'
freshwest
Dec 2012
#69
As a two-time attempted-rape survivor, I agree w you completely. And it hurts me to still see
Nay
Dec 2012
#149
I feel so sorry in a way for these sexist guys who just can't get past it. It is so easy for
CTyankee
Dec 2012
#292
a few men want to steer the conversation EXCLUSIVELY to be about their hurt feelings. NEVER AGAIN.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#16
After giving a few here the benefit of the doubt, I see thread jacking and making it all about them
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#77
That's the hard truth here. What amazed me about one of the recent "hurt feelings"
CTyankee
Dec 2012
#120
it's too common the guy makes it about his feelings - refusing to support the woman involved
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#134
You have NO idea how those words "I don't care" lifted my heart when I read them.
Raksha
Dec 2012
#244
Thank you. The issue and our experiences trump the "hurt" of those who obviously don't care about us
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#248
"that feeling THREATENED AND UNSAFE is apparently okay since you dudes feel. . .defensive? " Yep...
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#281
it takes some serious entitlement to insist we walk on eggshells,and I am NOT enabling that attitude
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#331
The sad part is these people are uninterested in the facts and statistics you present.
antigone382
Dec 2012
#32
and they can go on to the pity party their friends are throwing elsewhere on DU but after this week
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#49
almost 30% under eleven years of age, horrible. education needs to start early for girls and boys
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#5
I agree. I'm really shocked at that military number - 46%. One thing is . . .
ProfessionalLeftist
Dec 2012
#26
Sexual violence is a human rights epidemic worldwide. One reason it's not considered as such ...
ProfessionalLeftist
Dec 2012
#19
They're not seeing the whole picture ie: victims of their own gender
ProfessionalLeftist
Dec 2012
#25
The only toxic legacy here... Is the one you'll leave after being tombstoned.
Democracyinkind
Dec 2012
#115
"The less you care about a sexist narcissists' feelings,the more the Goddess grows in the firmament"
redqueen
Dec 2012
#269
I was told today that my viewpoint re rape discussion was tantamount to an experiment
Melinda
Dec 2012
#29
It's not that I wanted Nashville to stay - on a personal level he provoked a visceral reaction...
Melinda
Dec 2012
#44
over teh years here, what i really learned, we all uniquely handle this experience. our way. and
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#40
I read your pain, redqueen's pain, others pain on that thread, sea... I hadn't posted, was...
Melinda
Dec 2012
#47
great, lets all send assassins in after we are raped, because that helps you feel better about it!
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#46
I do have to ask how this cool story is more credible than the statistics in the OP. n/t
antigone382
Dec 2012
#51
I dont find it credible, practical or laudable in any way. Street justice is the answer?
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#78
many rape victim do not report out of fear the men they love will go to jail for doing something
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#143
We don't care enough about your hurt feelings to derail this conversation. Go start your own pity
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#42
we don't care about your feelings about what you imagine is implied. Not enough to get OT for.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#70
dozens of men come to these threads, only wanting to talk about their feelings
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#127
Oh Bob- was this ever NOT ABOUT YOU in your mind? Because I'm not hear to make you feel better
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#135
To you- Not putting YOUR feelings FIRST is ATTACKING? Don't you see how screwed up that is? G'Bye.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#140
Bob, when someone is trying to discuss an issue important to THEM, why is your first reaction about
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#145
Rape is more common than Smoking in the US Bob, how do you feel about that?
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#155
Bob, the horrible thing ARE happening- tks for confirming you offer no support, just criticism,
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#161
It's cute how you're suggesting "fun" man friendly slogans so I don't alienate the "target" ...
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#168
I don't have to soften my message for real men, Bob, just for the ones like you who demand pity.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#182
Translation? Bob: "Boo hoo, I don't like what this implies about men in general" Me: "Tough shit"
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#171
you deny anything can be done, and toss out helpful slogan rewrites to appeal to men...
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#179
Yeah, offering to rewirte the poster or snippy new slogans...all while giving the stats the fish eye
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#180
Ha ha, asking you to support advocacy usurps your civil rights now, does it? Hilarious stuff.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#185
being told you "should" take an extra class is hardly a small insult...
a geek named Bob
Dec 2012
#195
Wow, Bob. You still think this is all about YOU, huh? Pegged you right from the first post.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#198
Again, supporting advocacy has NADA to do with these paranoid fantasies of yours.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#207
seriously unhinged selfish shit. Is this Libertarian Underground where education = poison? LOL
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#217
I was pointing out what looked like the makings of a witch hunt... n/t
a geek named Bob
Dec 2012
#122
I think it's lack of concern for anything but their own primitive feelings on the issue
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#196
Actually, there's a fair bit of research on "warning sign" behavior...
a geek named Bob
Dec 2012
#276
The Obama administration changes were unable to stop a CT court from setting a rapist free, see:
freshwest
Dec 2012
#60
Sorry. I just meant to show how it is. I've known a lot of CP kids and have friend whose daughter is
freshwest
Dec 2012
#92
Sure, to the same extent that other oppressed groups create the culture that oppresses them.
antigone382
Dec 2012
#88
I don't think ANY social scientists would say women are nearly as influential, but that said....
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#89
Yes, it's a larger percentage protecting them, protecting the system.
Starry Messenger
Dec 2012
#125
interesting comments- guys complaining they can't support because women didn't complain about it
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#137
Wow. And these are guys who THINK they are being supportive! My favorite cousin blew me off years
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#330
My wife tells me she read somewhere that on average 3 women per day
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#123
Thank you for not putting your ego first, Evo. That we should be soothing egos before we're allowed
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#188
hey Rock- it;s the title of an article that explains it, third paragraph.....
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#197
yes, 25% is actually a low ball estimate. estimates on rapist are 4-8% of the population, so....
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#223
below here someone thinks its cigarettes, not smokers, LOL. No one reads, but they comment anyway.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#209
so you'd prefer to post ignorant anecdotal stuff instead of reading the article, GEE THANKS!
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#208
It's called responding to a sensationalist headline with absurdity. nt.
naaman fletcher
Dec 2012
#230
um, you read smoker and thought it said cigarette, and think it's clever? Because you read wrong?
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#249
smoking is something some people do 1-2X a week, some 60X a day. It was smokers, not cigarettes
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#262
Sad that one of those 30% of under 11 year olds is probably someone you know.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#270
I'm beginning to believe that there is a set process for this kind of thing...
a geek named Bob
Dec 2012
#273
well it always was about your ego, but don't flatter yourself for initiating anything
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#333
It's called responding to a sensationalist headline with absurdity. nt.
naaman fletcher
Dec 2012
#229
no one is reading the article. most of Burch's thread is men in denial... or
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#271
Thank you- I've had many more kind messages than the few nasty ones. I've gotten a lot of amazing
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#328