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TM99

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19. It is not a diploma mill....period.
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:41 AM
Dec 2012

A diploma mill actually does mean something. It is an unaccredited institution. Often there is not a physical location just a PO Box. It often does not require classes but merely accepts cash directly for a degree based on 'life experience' or a short paper on a topic. There are hundreds of these online ranging from Bible colleges to 'alternative' health programs like the now defunct Clayton College.

The University of Phoenix is NOT a diploma mill. I paid for real classes which I attended for several years. I had approved internships at places as diverse as the Arizona State Mental Hospital to Jewish Family & Children Services. I had professors from a variety of settings and educational backgrounds depending upon the degree. From a psychologist who specialized in CBT and was educated at UCLA to an economics professor who was educated at Northwestern and also taught at Thunderbird.

Being CACREP accredited, I had no problems after my coursework with passing the National Clinical Mental Health Counseling Examination . My degree was as valid as any others regionally accredited degree, and with my 3.98 GPA, internship references, and Certified Clinical Mental Health Counselor (CCMHC) credentials, I had no problems getting in to a competitive doctoral program, completing my coursework, internships, and getting licensed.

So, if you want to argue that it like just about every other college & university in the last decade now provides diplomas with outrageous levels of taxpayer funded student loans, then sure, let's talk about that. If you want to discuss howl the sociopathy of corporate America has taken over education at the undergraduate and graduate levels, then sure, let's talk about that. I received my degrees almost 30 years ago, and much has changed since then.

Educational expenses have grown to be outrageous. Student Loan policies and procedures are draconian and a new form of usury. And with the rise of the internet, there are, as I said, a lot of real diploma mills not worth a damn. For more information on this, go here:

http://www2.ed.gov/students/prep/college/diplomamills/diploma-mills.html

But please stop muddying a legitimate discussion about the problems with higher education in the US right now and discussions about online education with emotional hyperbole and inaccurate information.

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These places are much more than an education to the top elite... Earth_First Dec 2012 #1
Why would you wonder that? pipoman Dec 2012 #2
Why not? CK_John Dec 2012 #3
Students also go there for lifelong associations through clubs and fraternities/sororities. no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #4
Only if you have a job and when 50% of college grads are unemployed CK_John Dec 2012 #5
Here's the thing. If you're at Harvard or Yale, no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #13
It's not 50% for those from top universities Nikia Dec 2012 #16
SUNY in NY runs a large online program. Renew Deal Dec 2012 #9
Exactly, Kansas state institutions pipoman Dec 2012 #10
There's a huge difference between U of Phoenix-type classes and legitimate online WilmywoodNCparalegal Dec 2012 #6
I think you are mixing education with making a buck. When guys like CK_John Dec 2012 #8
Misinformation TM99 Dec 2012 #11
it's a diploma mill funded with taxpayer dollars in the form of student loans. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #17
It is not a diploma mill....period. TM99 Dec 2012 #19
we'll agree to disagree. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #20
Afraid not TM99 Dec 2012 #23
I disagree. But you can keep your belief in my erroneousness while agreeing to disagree. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #24
It is not belief TM99 Dec 2012 #25
it is a belief, just as belief in gravity. the belief may be true, may be false, but it's a belief. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #26
Semantic bullshit at this point TM99 Dec 2012 #27
not asking you to do anything. i don't care if you agree with me, just trying to end HiPointDem Dec 2012 #28
We have a system of local state colleges that offer many quality on-line classes that give many jwirr Dec 2012 #15
I have on child who is an ivy league student. aandegoons Dec 2012 #7
lol! yardwork Dec 2012 #12
They're starting their own on-line degree programs. Barack_America Dec 2012 #14
Yes they will. Because people would sell their souls to get in. white_wolf Dec 2012 #18
NYU is a very good school. I've known several NYU Law grads, amandabeech Dec 2012 #21
NYU's my dream law school. white_wolf Dec 2012 #22
Believe me, Yalies get all the "big law" that they want. n/t amandabeech Dec 2012 #29
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